obviously they can't come out and say "we're gonna get rid of it" but they try to sabotage it to hurt its popularity

I would like to point out that European systems are subsidized directly from the United States.

sure but european countries achieve better results while spending less

Only exception are the Tories in the UK who, under Tony Blair and David Cameron, literally raped the NHS to death, taking it from the #1 in the World to lower than the US' Health Care System; but the only reason the Tories didn't end up killing their party with that is bc people just hate Corbyn and the Labour Party a fuck ton more

We Supply most of the research and development for medical equipment and studies, we also subsidize EU's defense so they don't have to pay for it and in turn can fund large socialized Healthcare programs

Times are so divisive, at this point

france spends less than half of what the us does per capita on healthcare

but gets better results

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@FitnessByHeatherHeyer That has more to do with Institutions rather than Insurance

i mean to be fair there are additional complications that exist in the us since it's a very racially diverse country but i doubt that alone explains even a significant portion of the gap

The U.S. is also extremely obese

Our lifestyles are not nearly as healthy as European countries on a whole

Apples to Oranges

The French are also taxed as an exorbitant trade, as of the Germans, no thank you. We're taxed enough over here

Right now I pay $0 for a gold plan through my employer, I'm fine.

I mean, for my Data Management Project, I looked at comparing Obesity Rates to quality of Health Care and I did find a direct correlation

Japan has one of the Best Health Care Systems and one of the lowest Obesity Rates lol

When I was 19 years old I had a $10 an hour construction job and my employer was able to give me equally good coverage, then the government got involved after 2010 and insurance has been a complete mess ever since

i wonder if there's data examining the effect size of obesity on indices like the healthcare access and quality index

Obamacare is Shit, anything new?

The more you get the government involved within anything in the United States, it gets worse, more expensive and turns into a complete disaster

Not really

It's bc the US is a Corporatocracy

Whenever the Gov't gets involved, it's bc the Corporations have paid the Gov't to pass regulations that would help *them*

It's because when you have zero incentive for profit, zero competition and most of your employees are not hired upon merits, that is a recipe for disaster within any organization

Lol that isn't true AT ALL

Everyone knows the US is the most Corrupt Country in the Developed World

Corruption is literally Legal

obamacare seems like the worst of both worlds in some respects

The SCOTUS has affirmed this for over a century now

@Death in June Well, Obamacare was the Originally the GOP's Health Care Plan that Obama Stole

RomneyCare

Made by Mitt Romney

And the Wikileaks have shown that Romney was paid by the Insurance Companies to give them this plan since it would benefit them

@FitnessByHeatherHeyer https://youtu.be/5tu32CCA_Ig/

The US is functionally an Oligarchy; what we'd call a Corporatocracy; a System of Gov't in which the Big Corporations control the State

This is actually an Argument I often use against Socialists who try blaming America's problems on Capitalism

The United States ain't a Capitalist Country, it's actually a Socialist Country...one of the Most Socialist Countries in the World; the difference is that differentiates the US from other Socialist Countries and makes em appear to be Capitalist is that all of that Socialism is for the Rich; Corporate Welfare; what we would call "Corporatist"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH9gwYMGDr4 Timcast: "Socialists and Far Leftists OUTRAGED After I Called Them Lazy And Stupid, Too Bad I'M RIGHT"

https://youtu.be/tm_0-xSv-v4