look both parties have some fault here ok.

and im just saying... america should stay out of it

and not trust a word of what israel has to say

if they want to expand fine. they have a military

and a really good one at that

people would still rage at them.
and i do agree that we shouldn't put our men in the line of fire for them, as you say they have their own people for that.

I don’t think all criticism of Israel is antisemitic, but is it fair to say anti-Zionism is a convenient cover for antisemites?

um....

I don't have any problem with us selling them gear.

i dont think many people who are actually serious about foreign relations are anti-zionist or antisemites

and I don't have any problem with them haveing the west bank area, if you look on a map it would be silly to demand they not use that land.

Fair enough.

Except that land isn’t theirs.

whos is it?

why be anti anything in that regard? is not wanting to send our families and sons and etc... to die for conflicts in the middle east so that israel can expand further while the region is destabilized... is that "antisemitic"

or "anti-zionist"

No.

well see me and you see eye to eye there

I think you misread my question.

i know and i guess im getting at that

who's land is the West bank and why?

I just think a sizable and vocal minority of critics of Israel are antisemitic.

well you can oppose these things without hating jews... and id reject anyone who tries to put that on you

@ARockRaider the west bank was originally palestines that was agreed to after a very large conflict between the two

we will not focus on who started the conflict alright

we'll just say a conflict happened. the lines drawn here was what was agreed to

ill post a pic one sec

when, what should i be looking for.

According to the 1967 peace agreement, the West Bank and Gaza Strip are Palestinian.

what idiot drew that up?

seems like alot of border for not much land.

@UnScottable However, I don’t acknowledge Palestine’s claim to East Jerusalem.

yea i understand that illyrian but you have to start somewhere to get them to admit these current settlements are even more shit right... because they even agreed to let palestine have the west bank

so its like... a double double cross...

dosn't Israel let palestines live inside Israel with out much hastle?

think rockraider... imagine we had a conflict with mexico ok

we wont focus on why it happened or anything we just say yk what... this is what happened and heres the new lines. and both countries leaders agree to the new lines

then america starts subsidizing and encouraging its citizens to set up towns and etc in the newly established and agreed upon lines of Mexico

then when they say hey stop that. we go NAH. this is israel tho

are we talking deap in the lines or near the lines where it could be disputed?

because land lines are not as clear as they are on a map.