That's the point of the house

To be the annoying voice holding us back

Not pushing us forward

Have you seen how much more boring an formal the senate is compared to the house?

@Louis I never said I thought it was easy or even remotely likely. I said the opposite. That it would be near impossible because of the establishment. Like you just said. Do you have me confused with someone?

True, that's a solid point.

Really, the system is remarkably balanced as is.

I just want to see the end of career politicians

@Troye I'm saying that it is not only impossible it is pie in the sky thinking that frankly doesn't deserve to be thought about.

Balanced if you consider the majority of people having little to no say in what actually happens balanced

Oh boy

Well, that's somewhat disingenuous

Direct voting now niggers we need to kill the usa.

Woah, scale it back

And save it from rural people like me.

The best rulers or leaders are the ones who didn't want it in the first place. So basically daddy sargon or tommy robinson would be good examples

How dare I.

It's not set up to prevent authoritarianism so much as it's set up to slow it down enough that the general public can catch it

The ability to vote for your local government, congressman, senator, and participate in an electoral colleges gives the voter a fair amount of say in their representation

System just needs to be enforced and quit fucking changing things that are good.

@Louis I wasn't necessarily advocating for a third party. Even though it would be a much better outcome if it were possible. I was simply pointing out how bad for the country the establishment on both sides is

provided the district lines make sense and aren't covering huge disparate regions

@Troye then I agree

And that's a fair point. It's honestly why you have Trump to begin with - no one wants an establishment candidate.

Now tell that to the DNC

Until the parties get rid of their own electoral systems and you have only the choices they've deemed fit for you to vote for

random's right on the money. The real struggle is the DNC and RNC having seriously different rules on who gets selected as a party's primary candidate.

RNC is actually pretty fair

It's really fucking sad to see the democrats existing in the modern day. After 101 years of communist failure.

In comparison to DNC

Not all democrats are communists. It's just the outliers (AKA The Squad) that disparage their ideals.

I can get behind social programs to serve as a safety net for the impoverished

Just try again with niggers camelfuckers faggots dickchoppers and illegals

Democrats used to be the party of the working class, so I'm told

Used to yes

Oh, you mean like a *Labour* party <:smugon:512048583806025739>

But like Labour, now represent the elite

But only if one party sides with one part of the population and the other with the rest . It's kinda out of the realm of possibilities to vote a third. If we get someone who represents us then we jump in line with them. Only way I see it happening is If the Republicans party are so out of touch with reality and the general public like the democratic party is .

yep

Then we abolished slavery

@dizzy my dad was registered democrat for over 60 years.