Message from @Death in June
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It all depends on how you count it, If you lean to Communism you can count that Capitalism has killed more, Just look at all the people who died from illness despite cures being made due to wealth inequality under Capitalism
Plus all wars that were fought over economic interests
I would agree with you that adherence to communism is indicative of a basic inability to do math.....
Capitalism vs Communism debates are like “what would happen if Germany won ww2” or “AK vs AR” debates
yeah of course, but by this metric i'm counting anyone who died in a famine under a capitalist regime as part of capitalism's death toll for example
since that is the standard applied to communism
Either a classic or a dead horse depending on the person
and by that standard capitalism would beat communism and national socialism put together in the 21st century alone
Except the deaths under Capitalism happen over a much longer time span in many more places, because Capitalism is an actual working system
AK vs AR is a debate? I mean the sprawl on 7.62x39 alone......
And this is exactly why i try to ignore death counts when looking at a philosophy
communism has lasted for about a century
i dunno if "death counts" should be ignored entirely but the vast majority of examples where they're brought up are done so in a manner that is retarded in one way or the other
I would also agree that adhering to communism requires a willing ignorance to death and human suffering. See we have a lot of common ground here.....
The point, though, is that Communism kills people much more quickly and has much less benefit than Capitalism
Modern Communism has made a lot of adjustments so it's arguable if they can be considered the same philosophy as the one that killed people
i've seen little evidence to suggest it "kills people much more quickly" whatever that means
Just look at this debate for instance and you can see that the sane modern communists do not resemble the old ones
Sure it could be argued that a new version of homeopath *could* cure cancer.
@The Electric Lizard so are you saying "that wasn't real Communism?"
Well according to Marx is wasn't really
Please
Marx believed in stage theory and technically speaking they never reached the stage of 'pure communism'
"Real Communism hasn't been tried before!"
Trust me, guise
Although the Soviet Union didn't even adhere to his philosophy though
and really i think that given any honest assessment abraham lincoln was probably responsible for a larger proportion of american deaths than stalin was soviet deaths
Marx would have never believed that Communism would be possible in the 1900's
Horseshit. According to Marx it's a process and socialism is a stage on the way to communism. Thus every historical notrealcommunism(tm) is in fact an attempted communism.
in a much shorter period of time at that
Countries are supposed to naturally develop from Feudalism to Capitalism to Socialism to Communism
I swear I heard this one story about some bumfuck nowhere village collective in rural china that was basically the world's one and only example of successful communist practice, which basically cements its status as a medieval idea
The USSR skipped Capitalism
The only way "true" communism can ever exist in reality is with a hive mind. That's why all attempts up to this point have attempted to enforce that with the power of the state
This is why we need MERCHANTILISM
That's completely absurd
We need Minarchism
WEll sure the Civil war killed more Americans than any other. But we were fighting the most deadly enemy we had ever faced...... Americans.....
We need authoritarian anarchy