with this kind of environment its impossible to look into things in good faith without worrying about something screwing with the study

Is Purple Toad a commie?

yes

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I don't see the harm if it's going to be used to help people overcome obstacles. I think people get too afraid of "racism" they forget that we don't understand everything about our own biology just yet.

Well I mean you could actually read *Bell Curve* @UnScottable Seeing as I have, twice, I can go over the highlight reel for you. First Murray and HErenstein did not use *any* IQ tests in that study. The primary source was the NLS which does not include IQ data they were working entirely off of proxy data.

Second the highest correlation between black SES was **not** in that proxy data. There was a 0.8 correlation with score on the MCVI (middle class values index) TL;DR black families that adopted mainstream American cultural values made more money.


Third the infamous Chapter 13 was not even the thesis of the book. It was written specifically to avoid the likely outcome that their overall thesis (that there was a coming cultural divide between normal Americans and an educated elite **Thirty fucking years ago why the fuck did everyone have to sperg on one fucking chapter FML**)

.8 correlation with genetics or?

sorry im a laman

and i didnt read the book which is why i posited what i was saying with questions... so you know..

relax. lol

0,8 correlation with MCVI

I don't think that's alot

is that alot?

huh ill have to look into what the MCVI is

No not shitty at you shitty that it basically described the situation we currently exist in and was generally ignored because of chapter 13....

hmmm interesting

If I remember correctly the "Great Society" has already been demonstrated as a complete failure and that the real economic advancement for the poor and minorities is to embrace education and hard work.

You know, things that make people valuable.

interesting and see this is why i do disagree with fuentes on some things

TEB

like for one i do not think that it is impossible for the hispanics in america to integrate

They did integrate multiple times.

HOWEVER. some things need to be changed to make that easier and we have to stop letting more and more in.... 2 million a year, mind you

The problem they had initially was racism but eventually that shit never went away

i mean any foreigner in a new homeland will be treated with some level of caution or hesitation. I personally dislike the civil rights act.

What made hispanics become apart of America was deciding to be American

Basically Murray and Herenstein figured (probably correctly) that their research would be written off with, "Well these outcomes are really about race" so they did Chapter 13 to include racial data. That's why *Coming Apart* is important because Murray (Herenstein died shortly after Bell Curve) said, "OK then I can show the same shift using only white Americans too.

I think it overstepped a lot by ending freedom of association

humans self-segregate automatically... if freedom of association was not ended, and welfare was never put in

RAXIZT

we would see communities with people who integrate into the american way... or so youd think right?

i mean there was a "black wallstreet" and so on... theyd just have their own businesses and etc.

People self segregate more on values and class more so than race. At least I think that's more common.

http://racialdotmap.demographics.coopercenter.org/

this is really fun to play around with

speaking of that

but yeah, to some degree i do think demographics is destiny. It just has to do with the rate at which the new demographic is coming in. if the rate is slowed down to a level that is controlled. and we didnt have welfare and etc.

then it wouldnt be quite as bad

I think white supremacy being applied to other countries or nationalities outside of the US is quite interesting considering it was used as justification for a "moral" and "ideal" people to contend with owning other people and mistreating them.

But obviously it was so effective it persists to today but I think most white supremacists have never engaged with other races in an way that shows them how similar they are.

good grief there really is nothing out west.

well i mean... ive been thinking about the white privilege thing...
Do we not get an advantage just because this is our native land? I mean of course we do. If I showed up in Saudi Arabia, Id probably notice some arabian privilege's lol

but i wouldnt consider that evil or racist.

I mean, I know there isn't anything out there, i have driven it several times.