and wizard apparently there is some literature on impulse control that is interesting, but I havent seen it personally.

there are always exceptions to averages, and in fact quite a lot of them

Well I think averages today are misleading due to immigration of the more intelligent and capable individuals to more prosperous nations.

It's very complex

thats an interesting point

yes its quite a lot of moving parts

But if there's good evidence I would definitely consider the arguments and would want there to be more research and discussion academically.

i think whats unfortunate is that Charles Murray writes a book in which he says its 60% genetics and 40% environment. and he gets blacklisted as like... a neo-nazi and shiz...

with this kind of environment its impossible to look into things in good faith without worrying about something screwing with the study

Is Purple Toad a commie?

yes

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I don't see the harm if it's going to be used to help people overcome obstacles. I think people get too afraid of "racism" they forget that we don't understand everything about our own biology just yet.

Well I mean you could actually read *Bell Curve* @UnScottable Seeing as I have, twice, I can go over the highlight reel for you. First Murray and HErenstein did not use *any* IQ tests in that study. The primary source was the NLS which does not include IQ data they were working entirely off of proxy data.

Second the highest correlation between black SES was **not** in that proxy data. There was a 0.8 correlation with score on the MCVI (middle class values index) TL;DR black families that adopted mainstream American cultural values made more money.


Third the infamous Chapter 13 was not even the thesis of the book. It was written specifically to avoid the likely outcome that their overall thesis (that there was a coming cultural divide between normal Americans and an educated elite **Thirty fucking years ago why the fuck did everyone have to sperg on one fucking chapter FML**)

.8 correlation with genetics or?

sorry im a laman

and i didnt read the book which is why i posited what i was saying with questions... so you know..

relax. lol

0,8 correlation with MCVI

I don't think that's alot

is that alot?

huh ill have to look into what the MCVI is

No not shitty at you shitty that it basically described the situation we currently exist in and was generally ignored because of chapter 13....

hmmm interesting

If I remember correctly the "Great Society" has already been demonstrated as a complete failure and that the real economic advancement for the poor and minorities is to embrace education and hard work.

You know, things that make people valuable.

interesting and see this is why i do disagree with fuentes on some things

TEB

like for one i do not think that it is impossible for the hispanics in america to integrate

They did integrate multiple times.

HOWEVER. some things need to be changed to make that easier and we have to stop letting more and more in.... 2 million a year, mind you

The problem they had initially was racism but eventually that shit never went away

i mean any foreigner in a new homeland will be treated with some level of caution or hesitation. I personally dislike the civil rights act.

What made hispanics become apart of America was deciding to be American

Basically Murray and Herenstein figured (probably correctly) that their research would be written off with, "Well these outcomes are really about race" so they did Chapter 13 to include racial data. That's why *Coming Apart* is important because Murray (Herenstein died shortly after Bell Curve) said, "OK then I can show the same shift using only white Americans too.

I think it overstepped a lot by ending freedom of association

humans self-segregate automatically... if freedom of association was not ended, and welfare was never put in

RAXIZT

we would see communities with people who integrate into the american way... or so youd think right?

i mean there was a "black wallstreet" and so on... theyd just have their own businesses and etc.

People self segregate more on values and class more so than race. At least I think that's more common.

http://racialdotmap.demographics.coopercenter.org/