Message from @Jerm70

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2020-02-02 11:19:22 UTC  

but there would be many more situations in which nepotism would be more viable under a more diffuse system of power

2020-02-02 11:19:49 UTC  

A system of elective monarchy with restrictions on nepotism, which also upholds the interests of the sovereign, is essentially the idea behind a Democratic Republic.

2020-02-02 11:20:28 UTC  

if you really stretch the concept of what a monarch is sure

2020-02-02 11:20:46 UTC  

True, but the very idea of an "elective monarchy" is a stretch in itself

2020-02-02 11:20:58 UTC  

At that point you're just arguing over term limits

2020-02-02 11:21:06 UTC  

but the problem is that like an american president is only concerned about the effects their policies will have at most 4 years into the future

2020-02-02 11:21:21 UTC  

and of course the system is also entropic

2020-02-02 11:21:35 UTC  

the more the president matters the less coherent the system is in the long term as well

2020-02-02 11:21:42 UTC  

since it produces constant changes in leadership

2020-02-02 11:22:45 UTC  

I wouldn't be opposed to scrapping term limits if the people had the right to hold an emergency vote of removal once for every 4 years.

2020-02-02 11:23:06 UTC  

It still affords the swiftest means for correction. 8 Years is the most a president can serve in their position, with a considerable election every 4 years in which the public if afforded the ability to elect a replacement if necessary.

2020-02-02 11:23:37 UTC  

But I'll agree, the constant changes in leadership by two parties with opposing viewpoints can be terrible for long-term policies.

2020-02-02 11:23:55 UTC  

I would say make 8 year term presidencies.

2020-02-02 11:24:16 UTC  

With that exception above.

2020-02-02 11:24:50 UTC  

the problem is you kind of miss the window for establishing effective long term leadership in a mature republic that produces a divisive political scene such as our own

2020-02-02 11:25:49 UTC  

Well it wasn't like term limits was a concept to the founding fathers.

2020-02-02 11:25:54 UTC  

the problem is is that the system was not designed to be efficient

2020-02-02 11:26:04 UTC  

which was fine when it had a lot less on its plate to manage

2020-02-02 11:26:12 UTC  

but historical progression changed that

2020-02-02 11:26:24 UTC  

yeah they were introduced after FDR

2020-02-02 11:27:03 UTC  

There is a strong argument to remove them.

2020-02-02 11:27:25 UTC  

Especially since a second term president is no longer truly accountable to the people.

2020-02-02 11:27:44 UTC  

partisan politics really fucks things up

2020-02-02 11:27:48 UTC  

like if you look at madison

2020-02-02 11:28:03 UTC  

he thought that the system would naturally be inclined to not produce partisan politics

2020-02-02 11:28:09 UTC  

he was pretty wrong on that one

2020-02-02 11:29:01 UTC  

The thing we should be trying to do is slowly devovle the role of the federal government and give states back their responsibilities.

2020-02-02 11:29:26 UTC  

and this is part of the problem i think, because ultimately nobody is smart enough to design a system that can, of its own volition, account for all the variables that will be thrown at it, especially in the long term

2020-02-02 11:29:39 UTC  

the founders should have accepted their role as a natural aristocracy

2020-02-02 11:31:03 UTC  

Well I say my point because if Democrat and Republican people can both live in what kind of US they want to live in, partisan politics will lessen.

2020-02-02 11:31:24 UTC  

i just want the usa to balkanize

2020-02-02 11:32:03 UTC  

I don't think balkanizing is necessary.

2020-02-02 11:32:38 UTC  

A lot of the issues result from federal overreach.

2020-02-02 11:33:00 UTC  

i think that political centralization largely flows from military centralization

2020-02-02 11:33:07 UTC  

also i would say there are deep division within states

2020-02-02 11:33:34 UTC  

Perhaps but it is easier to move between states than countries.

2020-02-02 11:33:42 UTC  

if you take two white parts of any states and compare them with white and black parts within the same state the former will probably be more harmonious

2020-02-02 11:36:08 UTC  

Well it's a matter of at least addressing divisions.

2020-02-02 11:36:57 UTC  

Because if people can choose their own destiny easier, we won't see radicalization nearly as much.

2020-02-02 11:37:21 UTC  

but this is the problem i have with this

2020-02-02 11:37:37 UTC  

i think these sorts of decentralization measures are temporary at best