right, guess I'll come back when the people who want to have a serious conversation are on

getting controll over the Mexico border isn't about keeping people of a given race out, it's about knowing who is in our country regurdless of race.

well, give me an example of the "right" careing about race?
also please define the right other then "right of Sanders"

okay, you first, dipshit, define left other than "the left" or "the communists"

for myself my scale is about authorty, left wants full government control, right wants freedom, yes that means you COULD put anarchists as the far right on my scale.

that is so fucking childishly naive

how so?

implying right wing authoritarianism just doesn't fucking exist

what is your Right-Left scale?

is it the one that put Hitler on the right?

generally individualism versus collectivism

except when you throw in politics of a governing state

and then further complicated when you introduce economic factors and international relations

its nowhere near as simple as "see those people wanna tell you what to do, and the other people don't"

so tell me how an "individualist authoritarian" work?

that would generally involve a priviledged upper class, more often than not decided by familial ties or other such inherited status

aristocracy, dictatorship, and so on

the individuals in power over the masses

that doesn't sound individualist to me though.

not for the common citizenry, of course not

then it's a moot point, what the political system thinks of the common citizenry is the IMPORTANT part of it.

a political system doesn't have its own "thoughts", its not the fucking matrix

you could say that, but it works well enough for a conversation like this.

a conversation where one entire wing of the political spectrum is authoritarian and the other is just magically not

I never said the republicans weren't authoritarian, I think most of them given the chance would be fine with that.

you quite literally defined "the right" as being the wing of freedom in contrast to the left which isn't

'eh no.... republicans are authoritarian in another nature. Your bedroom/religion

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the politicans i mean.

Which is why I refuse to hold an allegiance to any party

same

They both want to tyrannize me in a different structure

until one arrives that actually espouses proper liberal values

I would say i didn't hold an allegiance to a single party, if there were any other real options, but that is its own thing entirely.

It would be nice to have a "Leave me the fuck alone and I'll leave you the fuck alone" party

totally agree with that.

America could do with a purple party, like UKIP

USIP

a party of national sovereignty

intranational perspective

again, I like the idea but we would need a big change in how votes are done, and I don't trust anyone who is in power right now to make a change that doesn't break things more then they already have.