Message from @The Electric Lizard
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without a definition they're able to basterdise it in the school
and in the education system
this is what i'm saying
look at the word racist
but how do we win that conversation?
we threw it around a lot, and now they're redefining it in education
I understand what you're saying, you don't need to explain
oh sorry
i don't mean to be condescending if it came across like that
I'm just asking how can it help to continue down their deconstructivist path, questioning every stone before you step on it
i'm not asking for us to define everything over again
i'm saying when it's presented we must act to kill it
so if the argument comes, the definition of the word is something we must fight on
ignoring it is not helping
Ignoring it is rarely tried
the opposite is true from my estimations
in parliament it is commonly ignored
spending valuable debate time arguing meaning is time wasted - people broadly understand meaning or can be made to by thoughtful speechcraft
I do not believe so
it looks like we differ on how we see this
i've not an idea on how we can find common ground on this, should we rest the argument for another time?
well firstly, here is what I'd suggest. strike directly to the issue, present an unlosable argument, then and only then allow the other side to claw backwards to definitions. You either reach a point where they disagree with common sense or you reach a point where their definition is unworkable.
the semantics portion of any debate loses the non-philosophical viewer
I think I would fall back to AA's argument here on the motte and bailey
and that's who you're trying to convince, not the other person
exactly
I think what you described is the method by which I'd suggest I am asking for action on
I'm not looking for the strategy or method right now, just the idea that we should be protecting the language from bastardisation
which I do agree with (sorry if I didn't make that clear) - just that I think it's mostly impossible while the marxists are in the schools
So my position here is that we resit the redefinitions in every place we can
not so much that we should copy their tearing at the defintions
mainly that we should put up a wall and start defending
I think that loses the viewers though
rather than just allowing them to slip their bullshit into our lives
So again, if I'm talking purely on the idea of what to do, and not how to do it
if we don't argue our definitions but rather simply state them as fact, then we skip that step.
how to do it could be done anyway
I would accept stating the fact as the argument in itself
I think I'm using the word argument in a different way to you are
which is a semantic argument in itself XD