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I'm against "Europe a nation"

let europe be a nation 😉

it will never happen

It'll be a short lived nation

they're entirely entitled to shake themselves to pieces trying

Family values have been fucked up hard

Yup

But your ideology castrates you lot from doing anything about it, Nevermind advocating for an alternative

"You cannot enforce morality on others"

who said that?

i did

and it was more "you dont have the right to..." than "you cant"

"Yes, Ethreen, that's exactly it
The parents have a duty to enforce moral standards on their children"

Whats a right?

who ordains them

Trying to unpick where the problem is

SFO did a video on rights recently i thought was pretty good

who is sfo?

> even if it does what gives you the right to tell everyone else how to act
@Puggums said it, @Eccles

short fat otaku

angry fat american?

or angry fat canadian?

canuk

>short fat otaku
feels like it's 2015 again and I'm watching some epic classical liberal DESTROY a sjw with facts and logic ngl

Moral authority should stem from the people, not from government

the government is decided and run by the people no

And yes, parents have the duty to bring up their children in a way that makes them useful to society and good citizens, which includes instilling in them appropriate moral conduct

Depends on the system, Puggums

fair

I wouldn't want government to be the final arbiter of morals

Looks what happens when you let it - leftism

i would like to be the final arbiter of my morals tbh

Slavery was legal once
Does that mean it was once moral?

> Moral authority should stem from the people, not from government

Austism

You are implying the two aren't linked.

Of course they're linked

But they're not eqivalent

Do the electorate make laws or is it the judicial government?

Both

Of course the authority comes from the government - that is the whole point.

the authority comes from the people and flows to the government and its fro mthat authority that they make laws