Arent most people net takers

If you factor in everything

Depends

Not sure if it's most people

I think it's 27k

at this report

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/1760/over_half_of_uk_households_are_net_beneficiaries_of_the_state

Its way higher than 27 due the vast amounts of tax the higher earners submit, but the system is disjointed.

@oblongy net takers vs net payers based on effective tax rate my dude

so it's working out what their effective tax rate is

on that page, anyone below ~27k effective tax rate is below 0

i think

going to look for better graphs now 🔍

Figures don't make sense

i'm just repeating what i'm reading

It is hard to unravel due to the tax system

https://factcheckni.org/facts/are-only-3-out-of-12-regions-net-contributors-to-the-uk-treasury/

also interesting

You also have to factor in structured benefits and privaleges, which often bring the net beneficiary income to much higher. It's a system to screw the middle class and both ends

*laughs in technically southeast even though where i am should clearly be southwest*

*at both ends

*...or just south*

@oblongy I think when things get functionally unanswerable due to things like police usage and nhs usage they average things out

to make the question easier to answer

Which is the sticking point I see from people on quora https://www.quora.com/In-the-UK-how-much-tax-would-I-need-to-pay-in-order-to-be-a-net-contributor

telegraph is saying 38k https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/tax/10638283/How-much-we-give-the-state-in-tax-and-how-much-we-get-back.html

Migrants are a net cost to Britain

Ok Leohte, we're talking about something eles

which is related

I think based on this evidence we should have questions for Pretti around why she picked the income levels she did given that it takes an income of over anywhere between 28k-38k to be a contributor to the public purse rather than an expense

a good answer would be if those jobs were needed, but you can get in on the first 3 plus earning 25k

@GalaxyBrainer *laughs in southeast*

should have some incentive to bring all the billionaires here 😛

the top 1% already pay a huge amount of the taxes already...

imagine all the worlds billionaires came to the UK

Telegraph report on that here: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/tax/10620555/UK-tax-system-is-punishing-success-says-Institute-for-Fiscal-Studies.html

but it's old

could push the personal allowance to pretty much 50k or something

That's fiscally not possible

the exchequre wouldn't be able to take that loss

I mean if all the billionaires were in the UK... we definitely could