Message from @jesmaz

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2020-02-29 05:07:24 UTC  

Hey, gotta make the distinction.

2020-02-29 05:07:35 UTC  

Ik :3

2020-02-29 05:08:06 UTC  

Then you should be against the idea of the government having a near absolute monopoly on everything from property, food etc.

2020-02-29 05:08:22 UTC  

This is the ultimate form of tyranny.

2020-02-29 05:08:24 UTC  

maybe; at it's foundation, their is a degree of mental gymnastics atheists perform calling rights 'natural' yet not acknowledging that requires a believe in god

2020-02-29 05:08:27 UTC  

so you think it's bad because you oppose monopolies

2020-02-29 05:08:36 UTC  

is that what you're getting at

2020-02-29 05:08:37 UTC  

Anyone with common sense is against a purely authoritarian government claiming ownership over all property.

2020-02-29 05:08:59 UTC  

i don't give a fuck if you oppose it i just want the reason

2020-02-29 05:09:02 UTC  

all government is authoritarian per conditions

2020-02-29 05:09:08 UTC  

It's simple logic that one who owns it all will only lead to tyranny.

2020-02-29 05:09:22 UTC  

that's no logic

2020-02-29 05:09:30 UTC  

it's emotional rhetoric

2020-02-29 05:09:42 UTC  

what if the government just mandated very extreme redistribution of private property

2020-02-29 05:09:58 UTC  

ownership breeds stewardship

2020-02-29 05:09:59 UTC  

no one will respect it.

2020-02-29 05:10:08 UTC  

say there's a 100% estate tax, 100% income tax at like 100,000$ a year and above, and so on

2020-02-29 05:10:12 UTC  

Then you would have created the illusion of equity and the system would inevitably collapse over time.

2020-02-29 05:10:15 UTC  

do you think that would violate people's rights?

2020-02-29 05:10:26 UTC  

No shit.

2020-02-29 05:10:30 UTC  

Nobody would want to work

2020-02-29 05:10:32 UTC  

why would that violate people's rights

2020-02-29 05:10:40 UTC  

what do taxes have to do with rights?

2020-02-29 05:10:50 UTC  

Alright, I'll concede your point - property ownership is a right.

2020-02-29 05:10:56 UTC  

taxes are overhead nessecary to facilitate gov

2020-02-29 05:11:11 UTC  

Because you're ignoring the fundamental part of choice.

2020-02-29 05:11:38 UTC  

property ownership rights are like any other rights; stem from the conditional agreement between the government and it's people

2020-02-29 05:11:40 UTC  

i mean there can be choice involved

2020-02-29 05:11:47 UTC  

people could vote on it

2020-02-29 05:11:52 UTC  

rights MUST be secured

2020-02-29 05:11:54 UTC  

Except not really.

2020-02-29 05:11:55 UTC  

even directly

2020-02-29 05:11:55 UTC  

they aren't free

2020-02-29 05:11:59 UTC  

why not really

2020-02-29 05:12:19 UTC  

constant vigilance is a cost

2020-02-29 05:12:28 UTC  

don't pay the cost? not more rights

2020-02-29 05:12:49 UTC  

A good example. Where your tax money goes. What if you don't want your taxes going to pointless foreign wars.

2020-02-29 05:13:16 UTC  

I mean, you're paying the money. Shouldn't you decide where it goes and how much??

2020-02-29 05:13:26 UTC  

well if you vote you can exercise choice in that way

2020-02-29 05:13:33 UTC  

i mean of course you could say voting doesn't really matter

2020-02-29 05:13:33 UTC  

that's not a valid argument though