Message from @unwoundtoast
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Private owners do, boards of directors do
Do you know anything of rights ethics?
The state is neither
But it operates all the same
It doesn’t
In all cases the legitimacy is given by social institutions
A private group is not predicated upon coercion
The state is by definition
The business owners have no more a claim to rights than the state does
You’re nothing more than a fucking relativist
Who is the state?
Certainly private is, you must defend your property with force
“In all cases the legitimacy is given by social institutions”
Yep
Then obviously nothing can be wrong
It is all legitimate currently
Wrong is something so iakly determined yes
Legitimacy is brought about through social action and norms
This is like political econ 101
If you reject objective truth then you are a relativist and I refuse the conversation
No there are things which are objective and these are too
You are claiming they are socially determined, not objective
They are relative to the social and material conditions but are objectively there with real force
Ergo I reject the erosion of truth and of meaning
As being relative to culture
I have bad news for you, social relations are real
For example chess is socially constructed but we can objectively determine a winner
Money is socially constructed but we can name prices and the value of money
What predicates truth as being socially determined?
You seem not to understand
What predicates truth as being socially determined?
No one said anything resembling that
““In all cases the legitimacy is given by social institutions””
Yes that statement was about rights, the context of the conversation
Even still
Rights are socially constructed
I reject such
If the legitimacy of "the state" is given by social institutions why does "the state" claim that the Constitution is what makes it legitimate?
The dictates of any majority or minority do not change reality
That's cute but this will be the case no matter how you feel about it