Message from @Enigmatic★Chromatic

Discord ID: 602656358143361044


2019-07-22 00:19:04 UTC  

I mean no one cares what you do or don't reject, it's socially validated

2019-07-22 00:19:14 UTC  

Then go away

2019-07-22 00:19:19 UTC  

And it's within it's rights to exercise the authority put in it

2019-07-22 00:19:26 UTC  

It has no rights

2019-07-22 00:19:29 UTC  

It's no different from a boss

2019-07-22 00:19:33 UTC  

It’s not a rights bearing entity

2019-07-22 00:19:33 UTC  

Why not?

2019-07-22 00:19:45 UTC  

Private owners do, boards of directors do

2019-07-22 00:19:48 UTC  

Do you know anything of rights ethics?

2019-07-22 00:19:57 UTC  

The state is neither

2019-07-22 00:20:09 UTC  

But it operates all the same

2019-07-22 00:20:13 UTC  

It doesn’t

2019-07-22 00:20:19 UTC  

In all cases the legitimacy is given by social institutions

2019-07-22 00:20:28 UTC  

A private group is not predicated upon coercion

2019-07-22 00:20:34 UTC  

The state is by definition

2019-07-22 00:20:41 UTC  

The business owners have no more a claim to rights than the state does

2019-07-22 00:20:48 UTC  

You’re nothing more than a fucking relativist

2019-07-22 00:20:50 UTC  

Who is the state?

2019-07-22 00:21:00 UTC  

Certainly private is, you must defend your property with force

2019-07-22 00:21:07 UTC  

“In all cases the legitimacy is given by social institutions”

2019-07-22 00:21:12 UTC  

Yep

2019-07-22 00:21:19 UTC  

Then obviously nothing can be wrong

2019-07-22 00:21:29 UTC  

It is all legitimate currently

2019-07-22 00:21:33 UTC  

Wrong is something so iakly determined yes

2019-07-22 00:21:44 UTC  

Legitimacy is brought about through social action and norms

2019-07-22 00:21:55 UTC  

This is like political econ 101

2019-07-22 00:22:07 UTC  

If you reject objective truth then you are a relativist and I refuse the conversation

2019-07-22 00:22:14 UTC  

Clearly you are not here in earnest

2019-07-22 00:22:26 UTC  

No there are things which are objective and these are too

2019-07-22 00:22:45 UTC  

You are claiming they are socially determined, not objective

2019-07-22 00:22:48 UTC  

They are relative to the social and material conditions but are objectively there with real force

2019-07-22 00:22:53 UTC  

Ergo I reject the erosion of truth and of meaning

2019-07-22 00:22:58 UTC  

As being relative to culture

2019-07-22 00:23:02 UTC  

I have bad news for you, social relations are real

2019-07-22 00:23:22 UTC  

For example chess is socially constructed but we can objectively determine a winner

2019-07-22 00:23:33 UTC  

Money is socially constructed but we can name prices and the value of money

2019-07-22 00:23:35 UTC  

What predicates truth as being socially determined?

2019-07-22 00:23:46 UTC  

You seem not to understand

2019-07-22 00:24:02 UTC  

What predicates truth as being socially determined?

2019-07-22 00:24:13 UTC  

No one said anything resembling that

2019-07-22 00:24:24 UTC  

““In all cases the legitimacy is given by social institutions””