Like that's a really stupid business model

One screenshot and no one has to donate anymore

what are you tlaking about

defend communism please

good bait

saved

@PugSlugger You know that section was just about the demands to the German Government right?

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/03/24.htm

@lesuede Defend it against what?

“Defend” would imply that something or someone is attacking it

Communism always ends in failure

There. Defend it.

You have hemrrhoids

@Borzo doesnt change the fact he is pro central banking and state control

He didnt understand capitalism will exist as long as the state exists.

@Kryptonite no it doesnt

However, capitalism inevitably ends in failure, and its failure cant be stopped

If you knew economics, youd know that

@PugSlugger the state has existed long before capitalism, you know

The state is, therefore, by no means a power forced on society from without; just as little is it ’the reality of the ethical idea’, ’the image and reality of reason’, as Hegel maintains. Rather, it is a product of society at a certain stage of development; it is the admission that this society has become entangled in an insoluble contradiction with itself, that it has split into irreconcilable antagonisms which it is powerless to dispel. But in order that these antagonisms, these classes with conflicting economic interests, might not consume themselves and society in fruitless struggle, it became necessary to have a power, seemingly standing above society, that would alleviate the conflict and keep it within the bounds of ’order’; and this power, arisen out of society but placing itself above it, and alienating itself more and more from it, is the state.

The state was the official representative of society as a whole, its concentration in a visible corporation. But it was this only insofar as it was the state of that class which itself represented, for its own time, society as a whole: in ancient times, the state of slave-owning citizens; in the Middle Ages, of the feudal nobility; in our own time, of the bourgeoisie. When at last it becomes the real representative of the whole of society, it renders itself unnecessary. As soon as there is no longer any social class to be held in subjection, as soon as class rule, and the individual struggle for existence based upon the present anarchy in production, with the collisions and excesses arising from this struggle, are removed, nothing more remains to be held in subjection — nothing necessitating a special coercive force, a state.

I know capitalism is like a real life game of monopoly. Sooner or later a very few own everything and poverty reaches crisis levels.

But capitalistic systems in practice have a longer shelf life than communism. Even china is becoming more capitalistic

Also

Guys

I got my hemorrhoid banded

It hurt but i survived

@Kryptonite China already became capitalistic

Now its becoming more socialistic

And no shit, you need capitalism before you can have socialism

Just like you need feudalism before you can have capitalism

@Borzo you're describing some idealist state in materialist terms

nation-state isnt representative of anything, it's just corruption and forced authority

it's there to uphold utilitarian standards

@ApplicationBot In the first place, at the very outset of his argument, Engels says that, in seizing state power, the proletariat thereby “abolishes the state as state". It is not done to ponder over the meaning of this. Generally, it is either ignored altogether, or is considered to be something in the nature of “Hegelian Idealist weakness” on Engels’ part, as you have done so here. As a matter of fact, however, these words briefly express the experience of one of the greatest proletarian revolutions, the Paris Commune of 1871, of which we shall speak in greater detail in its proper place. As a matter of fact, Engels speaks here of the proletariat revolution “abolishing” the bourgeois state, while the words about the state withering away refer to the remnants of the proletarian state after the socialist revolution. According to Engels, the bourgeois state does not “wither away”, but is “abolished” by the proletariat in the course of the revolution. What withers away after this revolution is the proletarian state or semi-state.

you wrote all that in 3 seconds??

Quote from Lenin’s State and Revolution

so you're an anarchist after all?
>What withers away after this revolution is the proletarian state or semi-state.

Nope

love how great it withered away during all communist regimes