Message from @Praeceptor

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2018-10-15 05:32:41 UTC  

And I'll probably get something like "so ur sayin they wuz all angelz", which would actually be bullshit. I'm just saying propaganda didn't earn its name for giving people the raw unaltered truth.

2018-10-15 05:48:33 UTC  

you don't understand: once the tide was reversed, there was no "surrendering". there was no "aight lets end this fight, ill give you guys some stuff and let us keep our country". it was total war, it would only end with occupation. now, whether allied propaganda managed to completely change his image or not is a whole different thing. what we're talking about is that, once the war had begun, and especially after the setback in late 41 and early 42, there wasn't any "hanging the towel".

2018-10-15 05:51:16 UTC  

and in fact, the soviets were not only amped up by the conveniently-now-nationalistic propaganda, but also by having so many of their own killed. they wanted revenge, and that's natural. the point is that there was absolutely no room for this idea that "hitler should have sued for peace"

2018-10-15 05:54:39 UTC  

When one side surrenders, the fight is over.

2018-10-15 05:54:58 UTC  

lmao

2018-10-15 05:55:15 UTC  

yeah, let's surrender and let them kill us in war camps like it happened

2018-10-15 05:55:21 UTC  

let's surrender and be sent to gulags

2018-10-15 05:55:25 UTC  

and have our women raped

2018-10-15 05:56:31 UTC  

at least the europeans of then that fought to the end managed to keep their pride. what was left wasn't germany, isn't, and it's to be forgotten

2018-10-15 05:57:34 UTC  

Ah yes, nothing like a dead man's pride.

2018-10-15 05:57:48 UTC  

truly ain't

2018-10-15 05:57:49 UTC  

We should probably use that to heal the world.

2018-10-15 05:58:14 UTC  

nah, let's pretend our cowardice is being "rational" and "pragmatic"

2018-10-15 05:58:40 UTC  

Because living to fight another day is overrated.

2018-10-15 05:59:46 UTC  

>living to fight another day after the greatest conflict the world has ever seen, with your country obviously doomed to occupation and castration
are you thick or something, my man

2018-10-15 06:00:11 UTC  

do you think that any german soldier of the wehrmacht would have had a chance of "fighting another day"?

2018-10-15 06:00:27 UTC  

Just thinking more than about myself and instant gratification.

2018-10-15 06:00:49 UTC  

yeah, i'll take my dead pride over a living meek pragmatism any day

2018-10-15 06:00:57 UTC  

Wives lost husbands to that pride bullshit. Children lost fathers.

2018-10-15 06:01:17 UTC  

Both would say "fuck it, I want him back in my life".

2018-10-15 06:01:35 UTC  

there are things more important than happiness

2018-10-15 06:01:51 UTC  

such as this alien concept to you, pride

2018-10-15 06:01:53 UTC  

honor

2018-10-15 06:02:04 UTC  

Nothing is more important than happiness, because that is the ultimate goal of man.

2018-10-15 06:02:14 UTC  

wrong, hedonist

2018-10-15 06:02:19 UTC  

A miserable life is worth nothing.

2018-10-15 06:02:43 UTC  

it being the ultimate individualistic goal of an evolved ape doesn't make it the most important idea

2018-10-15 06:03:14 UTC  

all of your arguments could be used by the most debauched and degenerate of people

2018-10-15 06:03:34 UTC  

Funny that you would claim such concepts are alien to me, when I actually happen to be the one telling people about the importance of those things almost daily.

2018-10-15 06:03:48 UTC  

you might be misinforming them, then

2018-10-15 06:03:49 UTC  

But hey, let's assume everything, it's easier.

2018-10-15 06:03:57 UTC  

you seem to have no grasp of the concepts whatsoever

2018-10-15 06:04:04 UTC  

Hardly.

2018-10-15 06:04:12 UTC  

but hindsight is easy anyway

2018-10-15 06:04:20 UTC  

always 20/20

2018-10-15 06:04:35 UTC  

There's a time and a place for everything.

2018-10-15 06:04:35 UTC  

the german people lost nothing. they fought for who they were

2018-10-15 06:04:53 UTC  

They lost everything and now are knee deep in shit.

2018-10-15 06:04:57 UTC  

what was painted afterwards is just words to the wind

2018-10-15 06:05:10 UTC  

the BRD isn't germany, and any nationalist will tell you that

2018-10-15 06:05:27 UTC  

in any case, the UK won and are knee-deep in shit as well