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do you guys think there are acts that are completely unforgiveable

under any context?

let me get some chicken and some waffle fries for free

i'm not saying there is one

why is child rape unforgiveable/what are the criteria for an unforgiveable act

Sodomizing an animal

Can’t think of any situation where sodomizing an animal is okay

ok i actually have a better question

for what reasons would you ever forgive someone for transgressing against you?

Depends on the transgression

Case by case basis. That is too open; to the circumstances and the person.

What are we talking about here

What has the person done to me

so that's what matters is scale/intensity

Yeah

if someone accidentally bumps into you on the sidewalk you don't give it a thought

if someone kills your daughter you'll have hatred burning in your heart until you die

Nah unless it was motivated

If someone killed my daughter, they’d be tied to bricks underwater.

Are you autistic? There is a proptionalism in actions.

Of course being bunped is treated different from killing dude

hey i know you're new but sit the fuck down

No need to get hostile

Lao he’s just asking a question

God forbid we have a conversation in this discord

yeah i thought about that

irrevocable action is much less forgiveable

but also is forgiveness also the re-establishment of trust

if someone steals from you and later expresses repentant feeling do you forgive and also trust him not to do it again

who raped you and your child and killed your daughter

its better to forgive but once someone shows a nature you cant expect them to not jump into whatever behavior

Sapolsky: There is this whole hot subject of reconciliation in primatology. The definition of reconciliation is that after two animals have had a fight with each other, over the next ten minutes or an hour or so, there is a higher-than-expected rate of their doing something nice and affiliative, such as grooming each other. This has been observed in about twenty-five different species, including most of the apes.

Some primates are miserably aggressive to the point of murder. Chimpanzees will kill each other. In addition to evolving that, they also evolve a system that says: Enough. It’s over, let’s move on. It’s time for some version of reconciliation and it’s now called reconciliative behavior. Certain individuals have a higher rate of making up than was expected — grooming each other, things like that. What’s fascinating is that it’s not just random. There is a pattern that looks perfectly human, which is that not everybody reconciles with each other, but some pairings are more likely to reconcile.

If someone stole from me, but then returned it and remorsed I’d probably forgive them

What we are seeing is that the more valuable your relationship with the other animal, the more likely you are to make up afterwards. This was shown in a brilliant study written by a researcher named Marina Cords at Columbia University. She took some macaque monkeys, captive ones, and devised two different situations. Under one the animals were in two separate cages next to each other and had to individually carry out a task in order to get a food reward. The other scenario was that they had to do a cooperative task instead. What she showed was that the ease of cooperation, when the pair had worked together on a regular basis, made them more likely to reconcile after tension. This is akin to saying, “Whoa, he and I go back thirty years to kindergarten, and we’ve got a good working relationship. It’s probably worth it to work this out, to get past the tension.”

so this is what i'm getting at cuz i think forgiveness is an evolved behavior

yes you can forgive them but you wouldnt ask them to house sit for you while youre gone for 3 days

No

I would forgive them but I’d never have anything to do with them again tbh

who perpetuates this "l-theanine totally cured my anxiety and depression" lie