Message from @A disgruntled scientist
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@Fitzydog He is not wrong here you know.
English Liberalism vs German Central Planning
England is a lost cause at this moment in time. Germany is beyond that because of what Merkel did to their country.
But like they said, Germans are really scared of taking big decisions since they *did so much bad stuff during WW2*.
Ends justify the means vs The means ARE the ends
All the -isms though.. They are most surely bullshit all of them.
We should look for something new.
No, they're defined thought processes
But none of them works.
What they're talking about right now is so messed up.
Liberalism works just fine.
It's when collectivists subvert the language to push their own goals
Thats when you have problems
The cost of freedom, is eternal vigilance
I kind of agree with you there.
People are the problem.
ETERNAL VIGILANCE
Not the -isms.
Nah, you still don't get it lol
but whatever
I do understand. But I don't se the collective as something else than people.
That's why I say you don't understand, because that's entirely wrong.
Even last night, you kept flying right past the important points, not quite grasping the nuance
Are you talking about subverting other peoples wills?
No, you said -isms are "the problem", and I said Liberalism works just fine.
Yeah but it only works if ALL the people are liberal.
No, it works with other people as well, on a local basis.
100% agree.
I doubt it lol
If we're talking local it's waaay easier.
That's what we call "decentralization"
It's when you take people from different values and mix them in a liberal world I see issues assuring.
No, you just bypassed my comment
Decentralization is a liberal concept, and is a key aspect to it
No leader.
I did not say that
No democracy.
No I know.
I'm just trying to understand how to actually make it work.
I'm done. You keep saying "I know" and "I understand" just to advance the conversation, yet you demonstrate that you've absorbed nothing lol
Fair enough.