Message from @DanielKO

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2018-07-05 05:36:51 UTC  

It's hard to prove formal properties of code that you don't know *exactly* what's going to do.

2018-07-05 05:37:11 UTC  

Honestly, when a company comes showing "here, we just invented a new language", I see zero value in jumping in early.

2018-07-05 05:37:42 UTC  

If one of the selling points is "it's like C++, but ~~with less features~~ simpler", you can be sure, they'll slowly add these features in later, and pretend they're innovating something.

2018-07-05 05:37:45 UTC  

right, the only reason I got into D was because of Bright and because of the familiarity of a lot of it

2018-07-05 05:38:01 UTC  

Rust I've done like hello world and some little stuff just to see what it was like

2018-07-05 05:38:31 UTC  

honestly what I dislike the most about Rust right now is the community

2018-07-05 05:38:45 UTC  

fuck any project with a CoC I'm weary of now

2018-07-05 05:38:46 UTC  

I started using Mercurial because Mozilla was using it. But I won't touch Rust.

2018-07-05 05:39:52 UTC  

In the early days of the boom of distributed source control, I went through Mercurial, Bazaar, one other that I don't even remember, everyone forgot... later git came about, I tried it too.

2018-07-05 05:40:02 UTC  

well Mozilla could have gone a totally different way if they hadn't chased out Eich

2018-07-05 05:40:25 UTC  

Monotone, that's the one.

2018-07-05 05:40:37 UTC  

never heard of Monotone

2018-07-05 05:40:46 UTC  

never liked Bazaar

2018-07-05 05:40:58 UTC  

Exactly.

2018-07-05 05:41:19 UTC  

used Mercurial for a bit, but Git went crazy and I'm so OSS it seemed silly not to just go full git

2018-07-05 05:41:47 UTC  

we had an SVN sever before that which shit the bed on us and we had to completely re-assemble a really messed up code base

2018-07-05 05:41:51 UTC  

I'm more of a Free Software guy.

2018-07-05 05:42:46 UTC  

Monotone was supposed to be good because it was fast, written in C++. But it turned out Mercurial was virtually just as fast, because most of the time was spent doing I/O, and they did some tricks to optimize I/O.

2018-07-05 05:43:18 UTC  

honestly after coming from SVN speed was never so much of a consideration

2018-07-05 05:43:31 UTC  

if it was faster than SVN it was fast enough

2018-07-05 05:44:04 UTC  

Speed matters if you're dealing with a massive project, and your workflow requires switching between branches, or rolling back and forth between revisions to locate regressions.

2018-07-05 05:44:29 UTC  

That is, if you're Linus Torvalds.

2018-07-05 05:44:44 UTC  

we're a small team and we work with pretty tight feature branches, so that would rarely be an issue for us

2018-07-05 05:46:57 UTC  

If you're a kernel developer, you wake up, there are 20 new patches/pull requests since last night, waiting in your inbox, for you to review, apply, test. You'll spend most of your morning checking if they conflict with each other and rebuilding to test things. Probably the source control management takes half of your morning.

2018-07-05 05:48:06 UTC  

yeah, for sure, and I think that also describes a lot of how git is designed

2018-07-05 05:48:46 UTC  

doing that in SVN would be torture

2018-07-05 06:16:59 UTC  

I'm watching this. Quite interesting, on how LLVM does some optimizations.

2018-07-05 06:17:16 UTC  

"Const methods and const references play no role in the LLVM optimizer."

2018-07-05 13:20:15 UTC  

this guy's talks are typically pretty good

2018-07-05 13:27:20 UTC  

Trying to help out on a node project and it's using "knex" to build DB queries. I have no idea why anyone would use this, the code is literally longer and more complex than just a raw sql query. It doesn't even completely abstract database types like a proper ORM would.

2018-07-05 13:27:31 UTC  

seriously why is the JS world so full of shit

2018-07-05 13:28:22 UTC  

Because JS programmers.

2018-07-05 13:28:26 UTC  

JS web apps are the reason humanity deserves nuclear annihilation

2018-07-05 13:29:00 UTC  

radical Islam > JS

2018-07-05 13:30:11 UTC  

I should become an imam and declare a jihad on using unmaintained node packages in production software

2018-07-05 13:30:15 UTC  
2018-07-05 13:30:34 UTC  

Best followup talk.

2018-07-05 13:30:47 UTC  

I'll watch that in a bit, that looks good

2018-07-05 13:31:07 UTC  

LLVM can do up to 3 inline optimizations, and he still doesn't know why.

2018-07-05 13:31:28 UTC  

... huh