but that's not really stock

I have driven a few imprezas around 300-450hp

If I was being picky, the clutch was a little heavy on the higher hp ones

450 isnt crazy tho

but it's not something that would really bother me

450hp is a decent amount in a '99 impreza

Im talking shit that would be the equivalent of an OG Mustang Eleanor.

they don't weigh much at all, and they do grip like the rubber is wrapped in glue

700 and 800hp monsters

I've driven a 600hp supra, that would have worked fine as a daily

the brakes on that were utter garbage though, but I think something was genuinely wrong with them

Coming from someone able to tolerate quite a lot more discomfort in a daily driver than most people, that means little

they were worse than my s14s

I am not using myself as a measure for this either, tho i only tolerate comfort compromises within reason.

But really. Try getting a Charger SRT's level of comfort, piling in 800hp, and making it worthwhile over the 500hp version

Not exactly easy

I've only driven a base v6 charger

I have no reference point beyond that

and that was... 5 years ago

damn

It's been a long time

I mean take any car with that tho.

the thing is, a lot of the modern performance cars are going to be less comfortable than tuned cars

because supercars make compromises as well

Try preserving the responsiveness, comfort, etc, while also subtracting 3 secinds from the 0 to 60 time

Like even if you compromise some, which factory sports cars do, it just aint happening

my ludicrously wealthy friend has a huracan, it's a great car to look at but the driving position is not perfect, the seats imo are uncomfortable and the interior feels cheap - not because it is but because it's been made for lightness

it's impossible for the majority of people to tell the difference between plastic made to be cheap and plastic made to be light

because they feel nearly identical when you knock them

there are almost no cars out there that make no compromises at all

the chiron and veyron are obviously in that category, I'd argue that most of the luxury sedans are also there if you discount weight as being a compromise

funnily enough, I think some of the most exciting cars being made today are American cars

they're powerful, well priced, comfortable but not too bogged down with technology

and they come with glorious slower manuals

the expensive powerful cars still with manual options from Europe are limited to what, the jag ftype and porsche? I think even aston have pulled their manual options but I could be wrong

Japan don't seem to have anything manual either

all this talk of cars reminded me

I need to check a wheel bearing brb

I think i lost my original point in there somewhere

Oh well

The automotive industry will go where it goes