Especially with GM's 1990s and 2000s finance woes

But

You do so by doing what Lincoln is currently doing.

Okay, I'm going to be honest: i'm not really interested in this conversation <:super_edgy:426099058466095119>

Sorry, I just find most big manufacturers to be bloated corporations with no hope

...Then... _sigh_ okay fine. Not bothered that you're not interested, but this seems a long way to go when you don't care.

Eh, you go on thinking that.

I know I'm sorry! XD

I mean they have huge issues, sure

But they literally always have

My perspective is a bit different. My family's not exactly a dynasty within any of the companies, but we have a lot of people who have had whole careers in one company or the other.

They've always been fucked

I only buy Japanese now

They're even more fucked than the American ones lol

lolkay

Honda especially

Mazda CX-5, or some Chevy Equinox?

They basically ride on the fact that they can update things as little as possible and keep their reliability and be okay

That won't last forever. Anytime they do something new, it is _horrifically_ shitty

Unless they contract out to American or German companies to design it.

Alright, now I know you smoke crack

I mean

You don't have to believe me

I know people who work in the company, but no I have no documents or shit to prove this.

With

With the company

Not in it

okay? I just care about the product quality.

It's better.

Building something that makes money is also important

Also

Honda is better than many others out there, but it ain't _that_ good

Hasn't been since, what, the 1990s?

2000s maybe

Honestly I don't know when their quality kinda leveled out. Don't pay much attention to Hondas from pre-2005.

Honda is really only as good as they are because they develop via evolution rather than revolution like American companies

Who, I will grant you, have other issues as well

Anytime Honda does new shit, you get their 10-speed and CVT transmissions

Which they'll figure out, sure. Eventually.

And then hopefully keep for a decade or two because if they make anything truly new for a while it'll be that BS all over again

Also, yes. CX-5 over Equinox.