also, don't avoid luxury cars

lexus pretty much consistently rank #1 for reliability

I think over the last like 15 years lexus have never been below top 3 on consumer reports used car reliability and spent like 90% of the time at number 1

@LOGiK Because we *just* got the European manufactured Focus this generation.

North America had a different Focus prior to 2011

I'm pretty sure the MK1 was the same though

Eh, they were manufactured here though. And they were just another econo-shit-box lol

well, aside from the st and rs that's all the focus ever was

but the duratec he engine options were pretty fucking reliable

even the NA mk2 focus had those and I can't see what would have gone wrong with them

We didn't get the RS

so?

I think there were less than 4000 mk1 RS focuses made overall, they didn't really sell that well

the vast majority of them were sold in the UK, I dunno if they would have sold well in the US

idk, probably not. Ricey FWD sub-compacts only appeal to high school kids here

the thing is, if it had been sold in the us it would have been in the same price area as the mustang

hot hatches are successful in europe mostly because of fuel costs, in america that isn't such a concern so bigger engined cars are looked at as alternatives

Problem is, the few times a lexus needs fixing, it is expensive.

@LOGiKalso i am under 25 years old

Insurance for luxo cars would be through the roof

that's not entirely true, lexus don't operate the way bmw and vw do with their premium parts tax, sure it's a little more than cheaper brands

With very few exceptions Lexus drivetrains are shared with other Toyota models.

but it's pretty fair

Even so. Insurance.

mercedes are surprisingly decent for part prices as well

Mercedes currently ranks just above Fiat lol

In reliability

the danger is if you get a shitty mechanic who bumps his pricing up because he sees a luxury name

I would trust a 90s or 2000s merc

I would not trust anything of theirs past about 2008

Also i actually hear early 2000s focuses are good too.

Its the 6 soeed autos in the newer ones that i take issue with. Manual versions are just fine...tho they have 5spd manuals, which annoy me.

uhh...

the late 90s and early 2000s mercedes were total garbage

their quality control was shot to shit at that point

Well in that case they have only gotten worse.

No they haven't.

they definitely have not

Legit, ranked at the same area as dodge right now

On what list?

Just above fiat

What are you referring to?