Message from @Matt

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2018-07-30 19:59:01 UTC  

the corvette and viper wouldn't have had any issues entering the uk market if demand existed, aside from needing things like indicators

2018-07-30 19:59:25 UTC  

the sagaris was missing safety features that the us requires

2018-07-30 20:00:01 UTC  

there are tons of uk cars that literally could not meet us standards

2018-07-30 20:01:11 UTC  

Also as far as production volume and years in production I doubt the total numbers of the Sagaris equal even a few months of Corvette production in any given year

2018-07-30 20:01:40 UTC  

the ariel atom had no abs, tc or airbags, I'm pretty sure the US mandates airbags at least

2018-07-30 20:01:58 UTC  

and it's probably not feasible to retrofit them to it

2018-07-30 20:02:13 UTC  

The Atom is available stateside

2018-07-30 20:02:47 UTC  

Slingshot is here too, and that's a 3 wheeler

2018-07-30 20:02:48 UTC  

The Atom can be sold here, but not imported whole, it has to be imported in parts and registered as a kit car.

2018-07-30 20:02:56 UTC  

That isn't a car at all.

2018-07-30 20:03:47 UTC  

I don't think kit cars really count

2018-07-30 20:04:05 UTC  

It's a "kit car"

2018-07-30 20:04:07 UTC  

that's a funny workaround though

2018-07-30 20:04:19 UTC  

Yeah, and the Slingshot is registered as a motorcycle, so that's about as relevant to this conversation as a scooter.

2018-07-30 20:04:31 UTC  

It doesn't have to meet any car related regulations.

2018-07-30 20:05:13 UTC  

Well in the UK the Atom isn't a kit car, you get it factory assembled.

2018-07-30 20:05:20 UTC  

what are the downsides to cars registered as kit cars?

2018-07-30 20:06:33 UTC  

None, really. Insurance might be a bit more

2018-07-30 20:06:37 UTC  

I mean I guess it forces assembly to be done within a country which probably pushes up price since it impacts economies of scale

2018-07-30 20:11:27 UTC  

Well the main thing with the Atom is that they can't be imported, so all of the ones on the road here are actually built in the US under license by another brand, but it is an official deal with Ariel so the end result is the same.

2018-07-30 20:12:39 UTC  

There might be some kind of production volume limit, but I don't know what it is offhand.

2018-07-30 20:13:39 UTC  

I guess you'd probably require a deal with a us company, I doubt a subsidiary would let you claim kit car

2018-07-30 20:14:23 UTC  

Well there's some details

2018-07-30 20:14:29 UTC  

If they even let you read that in your country

2018-07-30 20:15:06 UTC  

In some cases, the extra effort becomes necessary when registering an Atom for use on public roads. In contrast to Britain, where Atoms are street-legal nationwide, requirements vary widely from state to state.

In Virginia, an Atom can be registered like a typical car, according to Mark Swain of TMI Auto Tech, the American distributor. In other states, “the difference is often in the paperwork,” Mr. Swain said. He added that other Atom owners — there are about 300 in the United States — form a network that can provide useful state-by-state information about registration.

In Florida and Texas, an Atom can be registered as a “kit car,” just like a home-built hot-rod, even if it purchased completely finished.

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But New York State has stricter rules for registering a low-volume sports car for street use, making the build-it-yourself option the only choice for anyone who intends to drive an Atom on the street.

2018-07-30 20:15:31 UTC  

In New York, the customer must buy the Atom as a rolling chassis and have the drivetrain installed separately. Then he or she can apply to register the car as “homemade or unique,” in the parlance of the New York Department of Motor Vehicles. If the application is approved, a safety inspection is conducted at an official vehicle inspection station.

2018-07-30 20:16:04 UTC  

This is from 2010, it's possible they've come up with a workaround since then.

2018-07-30 20:16:36 UTC  

But yeah, in some states you can buy it like any other car.

2018-07-30 20:16:54 UTC  

And now the company that builds them here is using the Honda engines, for a while they were using Ecotec ones.

2018-07-30 20:20:38 UTC  

I'd rather have an Exocet than an Atom, tbh

2018-07-30 20:21:28 UTC  

Well the price difference alone would work in favor of it.

2018-07-30 20:21:49 UTC  

I'd rather have the BAC Mono than either, but that has a legitimate supercar price.

2018-07-30 20:22:22 UTC  

I'd rather have a lotus 7

2018-07-30 20:22:38 UTC  

Nah, that's last-century

2018-07-30 20:23:00 UTC  

yet still awesome

2018-07-30 20:24:08 UTC  

Exocet wins IMO, from the vast parts availability for Miatas.

What if I want it lifted on 33in tires, with a corvette engine? Done.

2018-07-30 20:26:03 UTC  

there have been plenty of loopy lotus 7 modifications, plus it actually has some level of real racing heritage

2018-07-30 20:26:50 UTC  

let's be honest, they're pretty much the same thing

2018-07-30 20:28:16 UTC  

the exocet is probably considerably cheaper

2018-07-30 20:28:29 UTC  

I don't know but lotus 7s have rarely been cheap sadly