And in a DCT with a manual mode option on something like my car, it would likely be no different.

There is no reason why something like, say, a DCT-manual Maserati coupe wouldn't be tuned to allow that.

If it does prevent it, well...that's already a problem with _existing_ manuals, so at worse it's no different.

manual transmissions don't need to be designed for clutchless shifting, the manual transmission sets itself up for it

But they can be, and are, sometimes built to disallow it

This is a distinction without a difference

I'm literally calling bullshit on that

there is no manual transmission I've ever heard of that doesn't allow clutchless shifting

I mean...you can do that if you want.

I don't think it exists

because it would be completely absurd

Why would it?

Why would you not put idiot proofing on an econobox manual?

Yeah, clutchless shifting is an inherent quality of manual transmissions.

I am not disagreeing

because it's not idiot proofing at all, it would be adding a bunch of complexity for what is mostly a non issue

It'd be more complicated an expensive to design one to *prevent* clutchless shifting

Idiots turning their gears to dust by not shifting properly would be a non-issue?

it's rare for transmissions to have issues within warranty periods unless they're fundamentally flawed

I mean it's not an issue, you never hear about it happening.

This is insane

This is completely absurd.

Honestly, unless any of us has hard data on it, it's pointless to continue arguing.

I don't.

I only know what my car does

What kind of systems would you have in place to stop someone from shifting a mechanical linkage if the clutch isn't depressed?

look at it like this, in the UK most people learn manual, driving instructor cars are usually manual and I know a few

And even then, the one time I did almost misshift, I didn't actually try to force it into gear all that hard because I realized my fuckup

I've never heard of one of them having a failed transmission

I mean there is plenty of hard data on how a manual transmission works.

and those cars are seeing half their mileage done by total n00bs

The most simple manual transmissions in existence, the ones in semi-trucks/heavy duty vehicles, don't even use the clutch to shift, only to take off

they have clutches replaced more frequently but that is the biggest thing

And they're not full of sensors and extra linkages and mechanical or electronic failsafes to block you out of a gear. They're just not.

I mean you're talking about forward gears here right? I'm assuming you did not try to shift into reverse on the highway.

Really all it would take is the clutch releasing a hold when it's depressed

No, I was shifting into 4th and was in a hurry and when to 2nd instead at 70mph.

(2nd gear only goes up to about 60mph)

Yeah, the clutch is not physically connected to the shift lever though, what system would be releasing the hold in your mind?

Googling, but google's not telling me anything

Something with sensors, extra parts, electronics, additional linkages, literally what I just said.