this is an unavoidable fact, regardless of your personal view on the matter the statistics are very clear

it's the equivalent of drink drivers vs sober drivers

Call me crazy, but jeep never made a verion of the liberty with a turbo, did they?

It was a while ago, but i distinctly remember a liberty driving by once making turbo noises. And it clearly wasnt a diesel

So either they did, or someone slapped a turbo on a turd

The biggest hurdle for self driving cars are the legal questions of who gets the blame if an accident happens and it the self driving car fault. They have worked on that problem in the US since the 80s

under the way laws currently work, liability would fall on the software operator/manufacturer

On the subject of "inarguably safer"

Nobody currently has actual data on how safe the google, apple, and other cars are

pittsburgh does because they've been running them for ages

Got a link?

I mean they've been testing them for 9 years at this point, I'd imagine a good amount of data has been collected in that time, and there's plenty of info about it.

Okay, so...got a link?

You don't know how to use the internet?

If they have plenty amd you guys have clearly seen it, it should not be hard to provide a link to since you know where to look.

I am on my phone.

I am using google, sure

Wasn't it like back in March where an autonomous Uber hit a woman that was obviously visible in the middle of the road?

But not seeing a whole lot

Single cases are not good measurements to be fair @Fitzydog

I mean there's a lot on the wikipedia page for waymo alone.

The pittsburgh one is what i would like to see oersonally.

@LordCaledus When it comes to software it is

a link on what, accidents? there have been like two accidents involving ubers pittsburgh fleet where fault was somewhat questionable and also all the current driverless tests still have an operator present so all you can go by is that currently the automated vehicles are involved in very few fault collisions

Self reported shit from apple and co? Hell no.

In August 2012, the team announced that they have completed over 300,000 autonomous-driving miles (500,000 km) accident-free

This has nothing to do with apple

That is wonderful

In June 2015, Google founder Sergey Brin confirmed that there had been 12 collisions as of that date, eight of which involved being rear-ended at a stop sign or traffic light, two in which the vehicle was side-swiped by another driver, one of which involved another driver rolling through a stop sign, and one where a Google employee was manually driving the car.

Keep in mind this is 6 years into testing

So they have yet to even drive the mileage used to measure accidents

Which is oer million miles

What?

How do you figure?

in 2012 they were yet to hit the mileage

Do you think this is 2012?

As of June 2016, Google had test driven their fleet of vehicles, in autonomous mode, a total of 1,725,911 mi (2,777,585 km).[44]

Beginning of 2017, Waymo reported to California DMV a total of 636,868 miles covered by the fleet in autonomous mode, and the associated 124 disengagements, for the period from December 1, 2015 through November 30, 2016.

Yeah, that's a long time in dev history

You gotta read what I post correctly if you wanna use the data.

https://www.fastcompany.com/3055356/the-first-study-of-self-driving-car-crash-rates-suggests-they-are-safer

But really, that Arizona one was such a obvious software error it's ridiculous