I just mean I generally wouldn't buy something over ten years old as my primary vehicle.

why?

Well in that case why are you even concerned about quality control and reliability? The older a car gets that's when that stuff really comes into play.

Because I prefer not to. I prefer the amenities of newer cars in my daily driver. With newer cars also having more that can go wrong, I also prefer to have one with a warranty.

Factory warranty, if possible

I think my earlier statement about lexus may have been misunderstood. My bad. Made it too broad.

My meaning is, i do not consider them to be worth the price in the range of cars i would consider buying.

I dont dispute their reliability

Well I still don't understand the idea that the best quality control at any price is not good for the price.

Because i can by a car for thousands less and only be slightly more likely to experience even minor issues

Well in the price range of the car you actually did buy, you could get a used IS300 with a NA 2JZ and rwd, or three SCs or Porsche 944s.

Used is300 of what year

?

If its pre 2008 then no. That is outside the range of age for a main car for me.

Now i will admit the cruze was not the best choice

It was my first buy and i made judgement mistakes when i bought it.

Oh yeah, same goes for the sc40p/430s

944 is a HELL no

Not for my main car, at any rate

This is another case of "not everyone values cars the same or has the same priorities"

Anyone who buys new is a chump.

Flat out.

Depends on how you value the shit it comes with.

Me? I agree.

Which is why I buy used

For someone who just views a car as an appliance and just wants it to go from A to B in the least inconvenient fashion possible, new cars make sense (as long as it's not an FCA car).

To someone who wants a fun car with excellent gas mileage, but also has customization opportunities available, and also offers the chance to learn how to work on cars without my ride to school/work being in jeopardy?

Slightly used cars.

I mean there are plenty of people using 20 and 30 year old cars as point A to B cars who are not car enthusiasts, just because they don't see cars are something you need to dispose of or replace after an arbitrary amount of time.

And that's fine.

They also value cars a little differently than people who see them as appliances but always want the _best_ appliances

In fact a non-enthusiast who isn't that into cars is probably less likely to replace one.

Unless it's a soccer mom who sees cars like purses

My mother, for example.

She wants _new_, because the _new_ Beemers have the _new_ shit, Goddamnit

What I don't understand and haven't seen you really explain is this arbitrary 10 year cutoff, what lead you to decide on that?

if anything newer cars offer more hurdles for modifications and learning mechanics since they often end up with trashy design bullshit that makes things unnecessarily difficult and less reliable

That was my dad's suggestion, actually

I had no idea.

Well what is his reasoning for it?

"It doesn't make you a chump to buy a new car"