Rat I will admit that I have perhaps been too harsh on you and overly critical of your choice of words. But again, I am arguing very simply against the inaccurate claim "to get better mileage you need more compression." Perhaps you intended for this to be a confined statement made with all else equal. But if that is the case it still fails to acknowledge that fuel economy is not equal to thermal efficiency.

I don't think explaining yourselves in a coherent way is really too much to ask.

That's what the discussion was.

I will retract my claim that you are a retard but I stop very short of it.

Boost and compression. How to adjust the two to get better fuel economy

With the obvious choice, all else being equal, being higher compression, lower boost.

Thus my choice of words, "if you want better mileage you need more compression"

As opposed to _less compression_

Fuel economy is equal to thermal efficiency.

Not as opposed to "literally any other strategy"

forced induction is actually not necessary for petrol vehicles unless the engine is undersized for the application and ultimately will only harm economy as a result

Well Rat I would have been willing to accept all this and I still am, I still think you're misguided but I won't fault you for it. We all need help sometimes.

This bossack fellow however

Oh boy

How about just not calling people a retard

That would be too much.

Fucks sake I try to be reasonable. When you make a point. I say it.

You see, I was just about to call Bossack a retard of even greater magnitude than you

When I am rude, I apologize

You guys, however, are just assholes

there is no need to apologize on the internet

Sediment and Matt

the internet is designed for never apologizing to anyone ever

Look let's talk about something we can all get behind

You jump in and make it _clear_ you're not interested in any kind of exchange, you just want us to understand we're morons

Aquatic locomotion

Fuck you for that

Both of you

Well my take on this is that bossack is intentionally misleading you for some unknown malicious reason. Perhaps he gets off on the idea of feeding you false information. But since you seem him as friendly and us as the assholes he's already won you over.

https://www.nap.edu/read/12924/chapter/4

I mean literally, if you had just come in and said "Actually, thermal and fuel efficiency aren't the same, because [argument]"

I would not only have listened, I probably would have seen where you were coming from.

Well that is actually what I did.

You basically said "this is why we're assholes to you"

But bossack tricked you into thinking there was some non-existent misunderstanding instead.

and you're still on that

I mean scroll up yourself.

Oh fuck off with your 'misleading' bulshit, like I'm some evil grandmother.

I think everyone should eat a cake shaped like a car

https://d24pyncn3hxs0c.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/styles/main_product_image/public/Car-Cake.jpg?itok=HdIRLh5p

I mean it's not enjoyable to see someone else played for a patsy like this, but you're the only one who can prevent it, @LordCaledus