Message from @Ipod

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2018-07-31 11:01:08 UTC  

I think that's how I'd put it.

2018-07-31 11:01:53 UTC  

Well I'm not sure if we could live without a govrnment, but I'm not quite brave enough to try

2018-07-31 11:02:04 UTC  

I'm nnot sure if we could or couldn't

2018-07-31 11:03:19 UTC  

I think government is a necessity, again as a mediator. Need a sort of "Leviathan" to ensure everyone follows their contractual obligations. I'm using the term leviathan loosely to mean some sort of ruler or arbiter or body.

2018-07-31 11:04:34 UTC  

well I think if a government has a main purprose, it's to protect property rights and to enforce contracts

2018-07-31 11:04:45 UTC  

Basically the way I think it ought to be is government is contracted by the people(like the Constitution) and is afforded the rights that the people all agreed upon in the contract. It has to be explicitly stated of course, and that is the role of government, that explicit statement within the contract and only those explicit statements.

2018-07-31 11:05:04 UTC  

Yes, exactly lol.

2018-07-31 11:05:15 UTC  

We trust people's contracts because the penalty for breaking a contract is high

2018-07-31 11:05:36 UTC  

yep, and that is the necessity of government. To be the mediator

2018-07-31 11:05:50 UTC  

And to administer justice

2018-07-31 11:05:58 UTC  

I think that we could use private courts for more minor infactions though

2018-07-31 11:06:14 UTC  

or civil disagreements

2018-07-31 11:06:17 UTC  

that's more like settling outside of court.

2018-07-31 11:06:28 UTC  

well it could be a private court

2018-07-31 11:06:38 UTC  

complete with all the mechanisms of court

2018-07-31 11:06:40 UTC  

when two parties mediate it through some third party privately.

2018-07-31 11:06:54 UTC  

and heck those private courts could even have private "enforcers"

2018-07-31 11:07:36 UTC  

I don't think I like that idea. It can lead to the administration of justice to be sporadic and unequal. All should be treated equally under the eyes of the law.

2018-07-31 11:07:58 UTC  

Which is why private courts could not work as each private court would have its own way of administering justice

2018-07-31 11:08:36 UTC  

In one court, someone could be fined heavily for a minor infraction, while in another simply warned

2018-07-31 11:09:20 UTC  

I think the law should be administered equally and with indifference.

2018-07-31 11:09:52 UTC  

@Ipod well the private court would be purely voluntary for both parties

2018-07-31 11:10:10 UTC  

both parties would have to agree to be judged by the private court

2018-07-31 11:11:05 UTC  

and a private court that is not fair in the way it conducts it's hearings would get no money

2018-07-31 11:11:20 UTC  

it would be in their interest to be fair

2018-07-31 11:13:05 UTC  

I suppose if it is voluntary by both parties there would be one less issue, however, practically, I dont think it could work. A private court entails another legal system under the main legal system. I think I should head for bed lol, maybe if I think on it in the morning it would make more sense to me. 4am lol need sleep

2018-07-31 11:13:08 UTC  

goodnight

2018-07-31 12:04:17 UTC  

Then whats the point of it? Public court is also voluntary. You either go, or dont and pay the consequences.

2018-07-31 12:05:09 UTC  

If you commit a minor infraction the only choice you have is pay fine or contest in court. Private courts would be far to easily corruptable.

2018-07-31 12:05:40 UTC  

As if government courts aren't already as corrupt?

2018-07-31 12:07:05 UTC  

Minor courts for traffic and small claims generally arnt.

2018-07-31 12:07:40 UTC  

Then what courts are corrupt?

2018-07-31 12:08:05 UTC  

Because if those aren't corrupt where do the corrupt individuals for the higher courts come from?

2018-07-31 12:09:44 UTC  

Generally the corruption begins as they get the higher positions like circuit court of appeals. Most corruption though in courts is really just political bias. And there isnt anything politival about *You were doing 80 in a 65, pay this fine*.

2018-07-31 13:19:19 UTC  

It can become political

2018-07-31 13:19:53 UTC  

You did 80 in 65, that's $200. But for that Trump sticker you now pay $1000

2018-07-31 13:20:29 UTC  

It will be regulated by free market competition

2018-07-31 13:20:42 UTC  

Like every other product ever

2018-07-31 13:21:03 UTC  

Also as countries move closer to ancapism the more prosperous they becomes

2018-07-31 13:22:39 UTC  

well that is one argument I have in favour for anarchism

2018-07-31 13:22:49 UTC  

Ancapitalism is a fantasy utopia the same as Communism.