Message from @Capitán Alatriste

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2018-08-09 02:00:23 UTC  

And china

2018-08-09 02:00:48 UTC  

They where reall inefficient at laying track that would bring resources where they needed to go

2018-08-09 02:01:42 UTC  

hell still are in places like laos, and cambodia

2018-08-09 02:01:45 UTC  

Nvm @Goblin_Slayer_Floki i misunderstood you

2018-08-09 02:01:53 UTC  

Of course but take into account the incredible difficult russian environement.

2018-08-09 02:02:28 UTC  

Yes but they have no indicators for how to efficently move and allocate resourses

2018-08-09 02:02:35 UTC  

Sobthey had a lot of waste

2018-08-09 02:02:42 UTC  

Production is a good indicator

2018-08-09 02:02:42 UTC  

Overbuilding and underbuilding

2018-08-09 02:03:02 UTC  

Units produced by time and consuption

2018-08-09 02:03:42 UTC  

Labor theory of value?

2018-08-09 02:03:56 UTC  

Overbuilding was certaiy an issue because of the terrible bureaucracy

2018-08-09 02:04:07 UTC  

^^^

2018-08-09 02:04:12 UTC  

This os true

2018-08-09 02:04:26 UTC  

But how else can you have government?

2018-08-09 02:04:36 UTC  

Decentralisation

2018-08-09 02:04:40 UTC  

The soviets did not have an answer for this

2018-08-09 02:04:54 UTC  

Smaller communities in charge of local production

2018-08-09 02:05:12 UTC  

Ahhhh but thatvis a problem when your bread basket areas are needed to feed eveyone

2018-08-09 02:05:35 UTC  

The crimea and unkraine areas priduced most of the grain

2018-08-09 02:06:02 UTC  

Each area makes a count of what it makes and what it needs, and they intertrade. Basic Ricardian economics

2018-08-09 02:06:05 UTC  

And if you cannot distribute efficiently enought people starve

2018-08-09 02:06:44 UTC  

But that does not help when you do not have the transport to get the grain where it need to go

2018-08-09 02:06:59 UTC  

Siberia for example

2018-08-09 02:06:59 UTC  

Thats where the central state steps in

2018-08-09 02:07:30 UTC  

tribalism

2018-08-09 02:07:31 UTC  

Yes and look at how well of a job they did

2018-08-09 02:07:41 UTC  

Or regionalism

2018-08-09 02:07:46 UTC  

did well for germany

2018-08-09 02:08:21 UTC  

As well since they only care about their local groups. Then national defense is out

2018-08-09 02:08:24 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/476934746782564383/3BB6B4F200000578-0-image-a-22_1483101155805.jpg

2018-08-09 02:08:31 UTC  

Just a bunch of fiefdom armies

2018-08-09 02:08:40 UTC  

National defence would be task for the central state

2018-08-09 02:08:41 UTC  

They needed to eat something

2018-08-09 02:08:51 UTC  

So people it was

2018-08-09 02:09:29 UTC  

There wouldnt be one. As they would be to busy with their small fiefs and not care about the central state. As well a central state would nullify communism and breed another stalin, mao, or pol pot

2018-08-09 02:09:46 UTC  

Basically the state would take care of infrastructure, defence, justice and police, and thr regions of production

2018-08-09 02:10:04 UTC  

Stalin existed because he was nessesary

2018-08-09 02:10:11 UTC  

Not very marxist

2018-08-09 02:10:38 UTC  

And again the central being in charge of the defense and infrastructure just means an opening for human nature to want more

2018-08-09 02:10:38 UTC  

Critical theory goes out the window when you have to fight to exist