Message from @Capitán Alatriste
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The left has a goal
anything goes to achieve it
Left = "Maybe socialist policies could work?"
Right = "Socialist policies will always fail in the end."
That's the new divide
You assume that all leftists are socialists though
No
I said anyone still calling themselves "Left" is delusional.
They think they're still working in the old paradigm of Left/Right
In the US anyways
Even in Europe now. There's so many populist parties these days
Progressivism is not the same as the NEOLIB
After Reagan the left had to put mostly center candidates
These radicalism and populisms on the right and left have risen as a result of each other
Populism is rising on the "right" because people have left the "left"
Indeed Neoliberalism is a response to the threat of the rise of socialist ideals of the 80s
In the US?
Globally
Thats fair
UK, US, Chile
Progressivism really ended in the US after LBJ
It only became on the rise during Bush Jr
The recession had a lot to do with why to saw the socalled Tea Party and Occupy crowd rise
One crowd blames the gov't, the other blames the market
Yes. The massive wall street failure gave way to a lot of anger and resentment from lower and middle classes who lost everything. Not to mention the utter collapse of the US manufactoring industry. People rushed to more radical groups that could promise them what they wanted
People begin to seek justice and someone to blame when such a crisis happens. The rift in society began to develop
That's why I think the old definitions of left and right are gone
I would say Obama did not help this much
During the 2000s when the economy was good and people were stable such divisions were not present except for fringe groups
they only made the wound deeper
Like, can you even define the exact middle point between left/right and where one transitions into the other?
@Fitzydog to me the left right divide tends to go along the line, who do you trust more? Yourself or the government?
That's not a dividing line
By that definition, I'm far-right
Economically speaking I would say, it's where should the money be? In the hands of the people, or the government
I think it depends
That's so abstract and non-definable it's ridiculous
look at the percentage of GDP that is public spending
I dont think that we are moving in the right direction. LBJ was wrong
FDR was wrong
Wilson was wrong