Get louder. Hell, I don't really care actually, cause I think anyone who still calls themselves "left" is delusional.

There's a new paradigm, get used to it.

Why is that?

The left has a goal

anything goes to achieve it

Left = "Maybe socialist policies could work?"
Right = "Socialist policies will always fail in the end."

That's the new divide

You assume that all leftists are socialists though

No

I said anyone still calling themselves "Left" is delusional.

They think they're still working in the old paradigm of Left/Right

In the US anyways

Even in Europe now. There's so many populist parties these days

Progressivism is not the same as the NEOLIB

After Reagan the left had to put mostly center candidates

These radicalism and populisms on the right and left have risen as a result of each other

Populism is rising on the "right" because people have left the "left"

Indeed Neoliberalism is a response to the threat of the rise of socialist ideals of the 80s

In the US?

Globally

Thats fair

UK, US, Chile

Progressivism really ended in the US after LBJ

Indeed

It only became on the rise during Bush Jr

The recession had a lot to do with why to saw the socalled Tea Party and Occupy crowd rise

One crowd blames the gov't, the other blames the market

Yes. The massive wall street failure gave way to a lot of anger and resentment from lower and middle classes who lost everything. Not to mention the utter collapse of the US manufactoring industry. People rushed to more radical groups that could promise them what they wanted

People begin to seek justice and someone to blame when such a crisis happens. The rift in society began to develop

That's why I think the old definitions of left and right are gone

I would say Obama did not help this much

During the 2000s when the economy was good and people were stable such divisions were not present except for fringe groups

they only made the wound deeper

Like, can you even define the exact middle point between left/right and where one transitions into the other?

@Fitzydog to me the left right divide tends to go along the line, who do you trust more? Yourself or the government?

That's not a dividing line

By that definition, I'm far-right

Economically speaking I would say, it's where should the money be? In the hands of the people, or the government

I think it depends

That's so abstract and non-definable it's ridiculous

look at the percentage of GDP that is public spending

I dont think that we are moving in the right direction. LBJ was wrong