aight

I'll play devils advocate on basically anything, just say a topic

So you're not gay, right?

idk

whats ligma btw

Ligma? Ligma Bossack?

ya ligma bossack, what is that?

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I'd rather not

ritual beheading

do you have ligma?

From what I heard it was terminal

does someone wanna argue with me about the alex jones thing?

I'll take the pro-removal side of the debate

no

oh, so you agree with me that alex jones should've been removed

Debating random people, who take an opposing view for the sake of it, is like sex with a prostitute

how so

Cause what's the point?

I don't get off on it

You dont see the point in debating ideas?

I don't see the point in debating someone who doesn't hold the ideas they're upholding

At that point, it's just sophistry practice

How is the actual point of view relevant to a debate that's focused solely on ideas?

The idea is the point of view?

Not neccessarily, if my point of view is that gay people should be given rights, but I argue against someone on the idea that gay people should have rights, my point of view doesnt align with my idea

Yeah, and I'm saying it's pointless to do that. The other person is now arguing against a strawman, or a hollow version of the topic, and no one's mind is changed. Verbal masturbation.

Thats under the assumption that the person arguing the opposition is not attempting to make the strongest argument from the other side

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Ok, so lets assume for argument sake that the person arguing the view contrary to their own is not employing a strawman as their argument, would you still say that it is not worth arguing with them

That's just practicing sophistry. Either you have good ideas, or you don't.

Don't 'test tactics' or w/e

Just have a valid opinion

If you're wrong, then give that idea up

You could employ that logic with any argument you have with anyone though, regardless of if they're holding a view true to their actual view or not

If I'm having an argument with someone, it's because I think they're wrong.

Do you want to have the correct opinion?

This applies to any subject

If I'm arguing you, and you are NOT wrong, but you're PRETENDING to be 'wrong', then it's boring and stupid

We may have different goals in regards to what we expect to get out of an argument, generally in an argument all I care about is whether my opinion is correct

When you are arguing, would you say your primary goal is to convince the opposing side of your point of view?