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2018-10-25 01:46:31 UTC  

In what context?

2018-10-25 01:46:43 UTC  

Natural law

2018-10-25 01:47:01 UTC  

That is a good question, but natural law is a subjective thing

2018-10-25 01:47:11 UTC  

Whatever I have in mind, someone else might not

2018-10-25 01:47:43 UTC  

Thus would arise issues when this law is broken

2018-10-25 01:47:58 UTC  

If it subjective than you can only descend into progressivism

2018-10-25 01:47:59 UTC  

That’s why written laws are really fantastic

2018-10-25 01:48:21 UTC  

Yeah but we don’t do our daily business by natural law

2018-10-25 01:48:41 UTC  

If I stab someone or take their property, I’m judged under written law of the country i’m in

2018-10-25 01:49:07 UTC  

which comes from what

2018-10-25 01:49:15 UTC  

it is derived from the natural law

2018-10-25 01:49:55 UTC  

I can’t really confirm or deny that since natural law is quite an obscure thing to call upon

2018-10-25 01:50:03 UTC  

I think it’s more based on morality

2018-10-25 01:50:19 UTC  

When people thought taking property was wrong, they made a law against it

2018-10-25 01:50:25 UTC  

Or even interest

2018-10-25 01:50:38 UTC  

People with property wanted it protected without them having to guard it

2018-10-25 01:50:42 UTC  

So they made laws for it

2018-10-25 01:50:44 UTC  

I am saying if law is subjective

2018-10-25 01:50:53 UTC  

than the holocaust was ok

2018-10-25 01:51:03 UTC  

because that was the german culture

2018-10-25 01:51:10 UTC  

To some people, in this case the nazis

2018-10-25 01:51:30 UTC  

But I think we’re conflating natural law with our own morality

2018-10-25 01:51:50 UTC  

The majority of people know killing, stealing etcetera is wrong

2018-10-25 01:52:10 UTC  

Some people don’t, or they justify it in some way

2018-10-25 01:52:22 UTC  

Oh shit nigga

2018-10-25 01:53:11 UTC  

>TFW <:pepe_eyes:378719408362881024>

2018-10-25 01:53:18 UTC  

And one might make the case that if natural law is transcendent and immutable, then the holocaust could not have been part of german culture

2018-10-25 01:53:30 UTC  

Since the holocaust was something that only happened under the nazis

2018-10-25 01:53:41 UTC  

Thus making it a part of nazi culture

2018-10-25 01:53:53 UTC  

And Nazi’s aren’t necessarily Germans

2018-10-25 01:54:06 UTC  

They were back in the day, but one can be Nazi and not German

2018-10-25 01:54:58 UTC  

I like how you're simultaneously conflating culture/ideology and morality/principles/ethics

2018-10-25 01:55:12 UTC  

it's nice

2018-10-25 01:55:21 UTC  

So what do you think of natural law then?

2018-10-25 01:55:32 UTC  

Does it dictate us?

2018-10-25 01:56:07 UTC  

No, natural law is what humans wrote down as an observation of mutually beneficial behavior

2018-10-25 01:57:45 UTC  

It's like saying scientists are obliged to follow the scientific method

2018-10-25 01:58:08 UTC  

They just *do it* as a quality of BEING a scientist

2018-10-25 01:58:58 UTC  

Do they not also do it because if they claim something without using the scientific method said claim is disregarded by the scientific community?

2018-10-25 01:59:27 UTC  

Basically making it essential for a scientist

2018-10-25 01:59:35 UTC  

Well yeah, it helps, but if they don't "use it", then they're not really doing science in the first place.