That was not what happened

People do not "rule" themselves

I think i worded it wrongly

I meant to say

The people electing officials to govern in their name

Popular sovereignty

Republicanism and aristocracy balanced makes a better society

more absolute democracy is a mob

The third estate effectively running the country

Absolute direct democracy might be a noble idea on paper but it doesnt work

Look at ancient athens

I agree

Every day they had to drag people out of their houses

The punishment for not participating was a fine

but people who argue for more democracy are the problem in todays society

And it was still a shitshow

Democracy is a cancer that rots away law and order

Maybe, but on the other hand despotism restricts everything to the whim of the despot

Look at China when it was an empire

If the emperor decreed something shouldnt be done, it was not done

So when Zheng He started voyaging the seas and the emperor decreed China should close itself off

It missed an opportunity to potentially discover the Americas

Are property rights not law and order

The natural law must be held as a transcendental entity that man cannot change

In what context?

Natural law

That is a good question, but natural law is a subjective thing

Whatever I have in mind, someone else might not

Thus would arise issues when this law is broken

If it subjective than you can only descend into progressivism

That’s why written laws are really fantastic

Yeah but we don’t do our daily business by natural law

If I stab someone or take their property, I’m judged under written law of the country i’m in

which comes from what

it is derived from the natural law

I can’t really confirm or deny that since natural law is quite an obscure thing to call upon

I think it’s more based on morality

When people thought taking property was wrong, they made a law against it

Or even interest

People with property wanted it protected without them having to guard it

So they made laws for it