Change my mind: The Holy Roman Empire was better at managing Europe than the EU

That is a hard pick

Probably never studdied much of the hre

hre?

But i know my roman and the fall

Holy roman empire

You already off to a bad start

If managing means stability, sure. If managing means a good place to exist? Nope.

with why it fell

Lol the fall began with julies not relenquishing the emperitor role. And a series of events after continued this

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Holy Shit

Can you not speak in enlightenment narratives

or is that impossible

Lmao

Im being serious

I have seen people make hypothesis on why, but to make a claim like that....

Im sure your Veiw of Julius Cesar is based on what Shakespeare wrote about him as well

Nope

I got to crash

The fact julius abandoned the republics law and didnt reliquish power was the start. But it was a slow fall. Compounded by the split of east and west, following a series of horrible emperors, wars that stretched on far to long. Over expansion. Conquered people not assimulating enough, or at all. The roman army becoming majority auxillary foriegn groups. And ending in the west almost bankrupting, disease, hunger and the invasiom of the goths

Not trying to be a dick

Nah I'd say the fall started with Commodus

I know i come off as abrasive

Oh commudus was one of those horrrid emperors

have a good night

Yep. You have the 5 good empowers ending with Commodus

His father was decent but abandoning the tradition of succession for his son who was ill fit was a horrid mistake

Also considered the golden age of rome

HE SAID GOODNIGHT!

Yep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eH6ZSLvsak

But thw fact julius abandoned the republic law. Was the catalyst for the rest

But in some ways you can't really blame him. All of previous dudes of the golden age were childless

woah

But the tradition of choosing an apt person and conducting decades of training for the position was what saved rome from further octavians

In Teagardens to Julius what about Marius and Sulla

Regards

And the Gracchi brothers

The rebuild was already falling apart long before Julius go there

Republic sorry