As far as I can tell, if you think Trump is a deep state plant you're fuckin high.

or just a liberal

4D chess?

no, he's a thick cunt - he doesn't even know he's being used, or at least concedes he's fucked if he tries to resist it.

I don't understand where this view comes from.

Used by who? The Democrats?

Trump is not doing 4D chess

used by the deep state

to what end?

Well to be fair, Clinton was part of deepstate

So it would make more sense to just bypass Trump and elect Clinton altogether then

If the deepstate is actually that good

Trump's biggest single problem is that he was an outsider, so he has no proper allies in the deep state

If you ask me, it's you who's being used by the deep state. They've turned you against the guy, along with a handful of other conservatives recently.

The deep state just want more of the same, no change or reform

Do you believe Trump is 4D chessing everybody's ass?

I don't really look at it that way.

That's a meme.

No, I think Trump is actually doing what he said he’d do

Which so far seems to be working

Unemployment down, wages going up etc

so if it's not 4D chess, what is Trump achieving surrounded by enemies?

Politicians don’t like that he’s succesful

Puts them out of a job

If someone is doing your job better than you, you risk getting fired

and you think I'm the deluded one? LOL

It’s just my observation

Well every once in a while, he disgraces one of those enemies quite badly.

You got tons of different people in the establishment

You got neocons, far left types like Cortez, etcetera

And a lot of them don’t like Trump for different reasons

I mean I agree, Trump is still appointing bad people.

But he tends to fire those people eventually

Deep State has been systematically removing Trump's team one by one... he can't play 4D chess or do anything else if he's the only remaining player on the chess board.

Trump has kept saying he could arrest people, but never does anything about it

I mean sometimes you have to lose some pieces for the sake of the larger strategy, so I don't think you have a very good point there.

Of course not, it’s not always in his authority to do so

Trump has lost his most trusted players - Trump has nor got a single scalp in return

Doesn’t mean he can’t say those things though

I mean... do you *want* him to act like an unconstitutional dictator?

he can say anything he wants - the actions are what counts