And I wouldn't even know who I'm offending or how. But even if I do the law shouldn't punish me for it. That's... Barbaric to me, I guess? So it's a matter of principle I suppose.

but MUH GOVERNMENT DINDU NUFFIN WRONG

@EnderOctanus which hand gestures for reference?

Horns, for a bull

Index and pinky extended from a fist I think

Hahaha

I guess they might be obscene in the Vatican I guess

Pretty sure they were fined, but there was an uproar at the time over it. Maybe ten years ago?

It's not Italy, they got their own law

Right but I think it may have been an Italian language thing, though who knows could be satanic

I mean, you're in the Vatican, know someone they don't like which happens to have horns?

Yeah

But still. If nothing else there is a certain perception of a lack of freedom in Europe amongst many Americans, and recent developments really don't help.

Based Berlusconi

Well I'm pretty sure that if an Indian came to America they would complain that they can't shit in the streets

Every culture has its own things

Yeah but everyone tries to pain Europe with gold, you know?

https://youtu.be/KirdH9Trpb0

@EnderOctanus not really lol

I mean, that hand gesture predates most countries in the world today

And inspired the use in heavy metal

The only thing I can appreciate in Europe is history and traditions and cultures old as fuck

I kind of Lost my point

Opsie

That's why our politicians point to Europe to justify new policies that some country also uses

Because some people are dumb enough to think that culture or history = good modern policy

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Ah yes

"Denmark does it. France does it. Germany does it, can't be that bad."

Of course

That seems very wise

Or the whole "Australia got rid of all its guns just fine, they weren't murdering people trying to seize their legal firearms!" Which is true but the same won't happen here.

I'd really hate to be the guy picked to go to houses to search for guns lol

Switzerland has got a ton of guns

Yeah they always somehow forget that bit

We can't have a debate here without using some other country as a model. No other country faces the same unique challenges as America. To half of us, Europe is a place for the elite, the rich and famous, the cultured and so on. Like its a big utopia.

It's the opposite

Or it used to be

The real shining beacon of civilization. They seriously romanticize it that heavily.

A few years back America used to be the example when taking about industry or reform