Of course

That seems very wise

Or the whole "Australia got rid of all its guns just fine, they weren't murdering people trying to seize their legal firearms!" Which is true but the same won't happen here.

I'd really hate to be the guy picked to go to houses to search for guns lol

Switzerland has got a ton of guns

Yeah they always somehow forget that bit

We can't have a debate here without using some other country as a model. No other country faces the same unique challenges as America. To half of us, Europe is a place for the elite, the rich and famous, the cultured and so on. Like its a big utopia.

It's the opposite

Or it used to be

The real shining beacon of civilization. They seriously romanticize it that heavily.

A few years back America used to be the example when taking about industry or reform

@EnderOctanus I can see the romanticism

Like, for poetry, arts and culture I can agree

Well. I think that was definitely true in the mid 20th century

But I wouldn't look over here for politics lol

Right

I mean, Germany managed to shut out communism and nazional socialism

Eeeeehhhhhhhhh..... I mean yes... But kinda went down a different, also bad, route.

Depending on how recent you mean anyway

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They did have the Nazis is my point. Who hated Communists.

Communism and *nazional socialism*

You know

*nazi*

lol yeah

Then again we only showed Europe how to fight an industrialized war AFTER our own bloodiest war, so you live and learn I guess.

Honestly, trenches. Good for defending, and ONLY defending. If you just plan to 'defend' and use artillery forever, might as well have a trade war. See which economy collapses first. Same principle minus the blood.

I don't think trenches are very useful these days

Then again Britain did try that prior to WWII

Oh they are when reinforcing positions

Not complex systems like in WWI though

Nukes are no good for defending

Ideally you won't need the trench very long.

Wellllllllllllll

At least if you have to use them

Yes that's the joke

I guess, how desperate are you?

Tactical nukes will almost definitely be used if someone SUCESSFULLY invades the U.S. Nothing large yield though.

@EnderOctanus That's why the PEOPLE need nukes as well!

what about that congressman that said he was going to nuke anyone that doesn't give up their guns?

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