Surely you don't want to drop the police without any adiqute replacements already beeing established

They can phase out or not, that's irrelevant.

Nobody can play a game without the rules being clear up front, without knowing what will happen if you do x or don't do y. If the enforcement of law is an enterprise, then it is competitive, which means it is by necessity unpredictable. Unpredictable application of law is what one advocates if one doesn't want law to exist to begin with. People need to know what the deal is before they can engage in participating.

@Roarey Most people like to agree to common rules before hand.

Everybody HAS to

That's common game theory

And that's why we have governments

That's.... not a logical argument. Just a "X, thus Y"

Its essentially relevant. If we were to abolish the police right now there would be no substantial replacements and thus no way for people to get protection in the foreseeable future

Maybe in a month firms have their foot in the door. What do we do in the mean time

Once again, I have not said to abolish anything.

I ASSUME the original policing force would go out of business unless they changed their business plan lol

December 6th, 2007

For all I know, some small towns keep their local policing force

How would you put it out of business? You would be privatizing the exiting police then?

No, I am saying "Let people opt out of local police, and pay for their own local security"

But if the government is still paying for local police, why would they opt out of free police?

It began

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/06/us/elections/results-kentucky-elections.html

*Who's paying?*

You would have to privatize the existing structure

@Banks=Gay No, your property taxes are paying for your police

To make it clear, then, the alternatives to a government are numerous, and far less effective with regards to a functioning society. Governments in the west are publicly accountable bodies that set the rules of all the social games. And they have to have the clout to ensure those rules are followed and those games can take place to begin with. A multitude of competing corporations cannot serve that function better than a government. It is why governments have evolved over the centuries, slowly improving and gaining complexity. There is not going to be some blanket "fix" for the issues we have with governments. Companies are not moral or ethical actors. We can have such a rich economy because there are rules everyone has to abide by, if companies decided the rules then there'd be no consistency whatsoever. It'd be worse than what we have now.

@Roarey You're going to need to provide a source that alternatives are less effective

History.

***ARE THEY GETTING PAYED BY THE GOVERNMENT OR NOT. IM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF YOUVE THOUGHT HOW YOU WOULD GO ABOUT THIS AND I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE.***

Would you privatize existing security? Sell off the police? Then let the market work out?

Is that correct?

If you're advocating a colossal change you are the one who has to demonstrate its efficacy, not me.

They're getting paid by the specific tax payers in certain areas that are still using the gov't police force.

Other areas of town may have opted out of paying for the gov't police via their property taxes and decided to pay someone else.

You dont have to be a bastion of nuance ffs. Its just making this hard to pin down.

All I have to do is look at how people in the past have tried to live together and see what happened. The past is worse than what we have today, in practically any way one cares to measure it.

@Banks=Gay I'm litearlly drawing an example right now lol

There's no way I'm going to advocate fucking with it in a fundamental way.

Nvm. I dont think I can get across anything to you. Lets just stop here. Its getting nowhere

Private policing is basically power over law decided by wealth. Like old fiefdoms and dukedoms. Each area having effectively an aristocracy.

It's fucking ludicrous.

idk, this seems really easy to grasp

It is, and also easy to see how bad an idea it is

Well, I was talking to big soy at first, not you, tbh lol

If corruption and unfairness in government policing is bad, you only multiply that with private enterprise in policing.

Same issues and more exist, only now you've got lots of competing police forces. It's a complete joke.