it shouldnt be

why do we know that the mona lisa is better than a urinal that says faggot on it

why do we know the parthenon is better than some glass shitstain skyscraper

there are absolutes

You're not wrong, but progress really is a subjective word.

damn

but you know what kind of progress im for though

No, I don't. No one knows anyones, unless they're hardcore ideologues that parrot someone else's work

It's a linear expression of moving from a beginning, to an end point

hmmm

@Fitzydog would you consider advancements in science and technology to be progress?

well i described it up there in chat

Sure, but I can consider fast-forwarding a video to be "progress"

But I guess it can be defined as "Better or more, than what came before"

But then how do we define "Better"?

my whole world view

a society should be run that everyone has maximum amount of freedoms

except for the freedoms that infringe on other freedoms

so you start at shit like murder and stealing

and keep going down until everyone has max amount

historically free societies have always been the best thats why im mega constitutionalist

be a degenerate as long as it harms no one

I understand your point of view, and agree.

This isn't about that lol

well i think thats objectively good

so id say that defines better

to sum up: Anyone who uses the word "progress" is a sophist, and wants to take advantage of you

yeah

i guess your right in that regard

at the end of the progress just means moving forward for better or worse

but its progress

All of this makes my warning lights go off with Steven Pinker, and Brett Weinstein

btw

brain damage makes you liberal

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https://youtu.be/8vuEi55aTH8

Did you lads really think it was over?

For fuck sakes

When is this shitshow going to end

Goddamn Bethesda is so incompetent

I'm totally with you on the Weinstein thing @Fitzydog
I think Bret is kinda weaselly, and seems to never say what he really believes, he keeps it vague enough to keep the conversation from going to a place he doesn't want it go.
I think he holds most of the beliefs of the people that attacked him, he just thinks those things are possible without the violence. He is ultimately a leftist ideologue, and so is his brother.

Hmm, perhaps