NATO exists entirely for eastern Europe and Germany

I understand that, but a lot of those European countries (France included) don't pay the 2% into their military like they're supposed to. Trump would be completely justified if you didn't get involved over there if they weren't in NATO.

The world isn't a game of Risk. Wars are almost always a lose/lose situation for both sides

Russia has no reason to even touch Western europe

Ukraine has justification historically

I wouldn't say its RIGHT, but there is precedence

Crimea would be like the US and Canada fighting over Vancouver Island.

it doesn't have to be Russia though.

it could be China.

it could be Turkey.

it could be SA.

if any nation attacks france should they leave NATO, NATO doesn't/ won't come to their aid. they aren't required to.

You're absolutely right.

And a country who isn't willing to defend itself, is not a country I'm willing to protect for them on their behalf

But you aren't the one making that decision.

none of us are.

it is stupid for them to *demand* to leave NATO.

https://twitter.com/alessabocchi/status/1071405549504393217

Also, treaties are not like a line of code/a program.

if they are actually french.

ok... but that doesn't mean that we are still going to come to their defence if they aren't a part of NATO.

NATO would require us to come to their aid if something happened.

It doesn't mean the opposite either

salvini gattini

why would you want to get rid of that protection?

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HAHA

You're making the assumption that if NATO doesn't exist, no one will help them

Bepis

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no, I'm saying that if they aren't a part of NATO, then we can choose to aid them or not.

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but if they remain a part of NATO, we **have** to come to their aid.

why would you take that chance?

I don't see the difference really.

The current situation ***requires*** us to take action. should they leave NATO, ***NATO may not come to their defence***.

NATO stipulates that you cannot provocate a war, and expect allies

@Banana_soda

thats irrelevant.

It says nothing about rolling over and saying "INVADE ME SENPAI!!"

Thats not my argument.

@AlephKnoll It's mine. now listen