but if they remain a part of NATO, we **have** to come to their aid.

why would you take that chance?

I don't see the difference really.

The current situation ***requires*** us to take action. should they leave NATO, ***NATO may not come to their defence***.

NATO stipulates that you cannot provocate a war, and expect allies

@Banana_soda

thats irrelevant.

It says nothing about rolling over and saying "INVADE ME SENPAI!!"

Thats not my argument.

@AlephKnoll It's mine. now listen

what?

you're strawmaning me.

Now, if there's a country in Europe who DOESNT want to pay their share, and disbands their whole military, yet still expects to have other countries come and rescue them, how is that fair? What's to be done about that?

Why should France care what eastern Europe does?

we aren't talking about eastern europe.

Yea nato is a defense pact. They must act in defense. But can choose to act in offense

https://twitter.com/spignal/status/1071004810214891520

this is what we are talking about

"- Leave EU & NATO"

@AlephKnoll You keep trying to make this a single issue problem, and I'm explaining the context that you can't seem to grasp

context is irrelevant to leaving NATO.

that is my issue

Alright, fuck off

they want to leave NATO

that is my issue.

they want a weaker defence of their nation.

"Default on public debt" AND "hire more civil servants"

A man who doesnt know economics

Do you want me to console you and say "You're right buddy!"?

what?

Leaving NATO is a stupid idea regardless of what country wants to do it.

You're trying to discuss a complicated topic, yet don't want to discuss the complicated context

I'm arguing on the principle of being in NATO.

Oh, fuck that

It's deferred responsibility

If you default on your debt it will only kill the nations economy. Cause less countries will lend to you. And france cant support itself as is

If you aren't in NATO, you shouldn't expect help from other countries within NATO.

Nato is obsolite

NATO is the only thing stopping russia from invading Poland.

Germany is a part of it. And russia is a privilidge partner

lol no it's not

again, I defer to Ukraine.