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HAHA

You're making the assumption that if NATO doesn't exist, no one will help them

Bepis

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no, I'm saying that if they aren't a part of NATO, then we can choose to aid them or not.

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but if they remain a part of NATO, we **have** to come to their aid.

why would you take that chance?

I don't see the difference really.

The current situation ***requires*** us to take action. should they leave NATO, ***NATO may not come to their defence***.

NATO stipulates that you cannot provocate a war, and expect allies

@Banana_soda

thats irrelevant.

It says nothing about rolling over and saying "INVADE ME SENPAI!!"

Thats not my argument.

@AlephKnoll It's mine. now listen

what?

you're strawmaning me.

Now, if there's a country in Europe who DOESNT want to pay their share, and disbands their whole military, yet still expects to have other countries come and rescue them, how is that fair? What's to be done about that?

Why should France care what eastern Europe does?

we aren't talking about eastern europe.

Yea nato is a defense pact. They must act in defense. But can choose to act in offense

https://twitter.com/spignal/status/1071004810214891520

this is what we are talking about

"- Leave EU & NATO"

@AlephKnoll You keep trying to make this a single issue problem, and I'm explaining the context that you can't seem to grasp

context is irrelevant to leaving NATO.

that is my issue

Alright, fuck off

they want to leave NATO

that is my issue.

they want a weaker defence of their nation.

"Default on public debt" AND "hire more civil servants"

A man who doesnt know economics

Do you want me to console you and say "You're right buddy!"?

what?

Leaving NATO is a stupid idea regardless of what country wants to do it.

You're trying to discuss a complicated topic, yet don't want to discuss the complicated context

I'm arguing on the principle of being in NATO.

Oh, fuck that

It's deferred responsibility