You said, "Gov shouldnt be involved with any laws not falling under NAP" i gave you 2 nap grey areas or exclusions gov should be.

@M4Gunner Non-Aggression Principle

greyfags cant consent

NAP: Non aggression principle

You can't use force to get what you want

Consent

sure, but you can protect what you have

"Force" is a moral grey area as well

Maybe to you

It's pretty cut and dry to me

and if you have borders, then you're good

Is a company forcing control of a sector via buy outs and agressive undercutting force? Or not?

@Fitzydog that's because you don't believe in the age of the consent <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506> <:think_hitlerdidnothingwrong:378717099952177162>

is force force or is it also coercion?

@AlanPowell you have to enforce a border or you dont have borders

now im just being a cunt

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki What about unbalanced trade deals

does that violate the NAP?

@M4Gunner no no no you have a good question

you have the right to protect your property, as far as i'm concerned that includes borders

I would say trade tbh in general is a grey area in nap. Its based on personal ideology

immigration? illegal immigration is pretty easy. If all public land is owned by the people then illegal immigrants would be trespassing since libertarians are big on private property rights. If the illegals didnt leave after a trespassing violation had been issued then it would be a violation against the NAP.

@AlanPowell but borders are raycist /s

@M4Gunner In my mind, aggression is a violation of life, liberty or pursuit of happiness.

where does property fall in that @Elijah

I mean, you may be right about the NAP not being useful in trade negotiations when a state is present.

I doubt that company could be predatory without a state to protect it

So a company denying you entry falls under that @Elijah

What?

@galesteppes property I have been debating in my mind for a long time.

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki no

Companies are preditory without state protections all the time

Pursuit of happiness is not it @Elijah

It's property

"Persuit of happiness" is very vague and varying as well

What is "happiness" for one is not another

@Fitzydog Idk if property really exists without government.

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Think of it this way.

Property has to be recognized and enforced

Say you live in a cave.

Somebody else decides to live in that same cave.

Say I live in a house, with modern firearms, and a fence