Message from @Leaf

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2019-11-24 01:37:08 UTC  

Which Swede has come close to anything as great?

2019-11-24 01:37:20 UTC  

have you heard of ABBA?

2019-11-24 01:37:25 UTC  

@Leaf ”Wellesley was born into an aristocratic Anglo-Irish family in Ireland as The Hon. Arthur Wesley”

2019-11-24 01:37:31 UTC  

Anglo-irish

2019-11-24 01:37:35 UTC  

Not Irish

2019-11-24 01:37:40 UTC  

Irish

2019-11-24 01:37:43 UTC  

No

2019-11-24 01:37:49 UTC  

Anglo and Irish are the same thing for one

2019-11-24 01:37:55 UTC  

But that said still Irish

2019-11-24 01:37:59 UTC  

Most prominent Irishmen

2019-11-24 01:38:03 UTC  

Aren’t Irish

2019-11-24 01:38:06 UTC  

False

2019-11-24 01:38:17 UTC  

An Irish girl wrote an article on it

2019-11-24 01:38:25 UTC  

Hold on

2019-11-24 01:38:42 UTC  

EVEN FUCKING GUINESS ISN’T IRISH

2019-11-24 01:39:32 UTC  

”furthermore, whenever you hear about some famous “irish” person, like a scientist or an author, they’re more than likely to have anglo-irish or scots-irish ancestry.

for instance, if you look at this list on wikipedia of famous “irish” scientists (*chuckle*), the vast majority are or were either of scots-irish, old english, or anglo-irish background, not native irish. one or two were even partly or fully of some other ethnic background(s) (i.e. french huguenot and sephardic jewish). i can pick out only seven who are likely candidates for having a (mostly) native irish background: louis brennan, pádraig de brún, nicholas callan, aeneas coffey, richard kirwan (“one of the last supporters of the theory of phlogiston”), william dargan, and john philip holland — and i’m not so sure about dargan or holland (both of those surnames could be either british or irish). so that’s five to seven native irish out of a list of forty “irish”, and i bet most of you have never heard of any of them.”

2019-11-24 01:39:39 UTC  

Michael Collins

2019-11-24 01:39:58 UTC  

”and if we look at “irish” nobel laureates (heh — yes, there have been a couple!), of the science ones, we’ve got ernest walton (physics, 1951) aaaaaand…no, sorry, that’s it. ernest walton. needless to say, walton is an old anglo-saxon name, and ernest’s father was a methodist minister, so probably not very native irish. (maybe there are some native irish laureates in amongst the u.s. or canadian or australian winners. i didn’t get around to checking that.)

and all those famous irish authors? w.b. yeats? anglo-irish. oscar wilde? anglo-irish. bernard shaw? anglo-irish. jonathan swift? anglo-irish. samuel beckett? anglo-irish. bram stoker? anglo-irish. j.m. synge? anglo-irish. clearly overrepresented. (not that there’s anything wrong with that!)”

2019-11-24 01:40:00 UTC  

Cope

2019-11-24 01:40:03 UTC  

Built his republic, defeated an empire and crushed a civil war

2019-11-24 01:40:04 UTC  

Harder

2019-11-24 01:40:12 UTC  

Hold on

2019-11-24 01:40:12 UTC  

Before he was even in his middle age

2019-11-24 01:41:46 UTC  

Or Bill Massey

2019-11-24 01:41:54 UTC  

PM of the Dominion of New Zealand

2019-11-24 01:42:20 UTC  

Who established her ethnic nationalist immigration standards and created real estate freehold standards in the country

2019-11-24 01:42:29 UTC  

Lead her through the first world war as well

2019-11-24 01:43:02 UTC  

Had seven kids as well <:BASED:639981478284886021>

2019-11-24 01:43:24 UTC  

First of all

2019-11-24 01:43:30 UTC  

”Massey Name Meaning. English and Scottish (of Norman origin) and French: habitational name from any of various places in northern France which get their names from the Gallo-Roman personal name Maccius + the locative suffix -acum. English (of Norman origin): habitational name from Marcy in La Manche.”

2019-11-24 01:43:52 UTC  

So not fully Irish most likely

2019-11-24 01:44:02 UTC  

But sure

2019-11-24 01:44:06 UTC  

Those two

2019-11-24 01:44:11 UTC  

I’ll give you those

2019-11-24 01:44:13 UTC  

BUT

2019-11-24 01:44:14 UTC  

It's the same thing, there are hardly any people from the isles or in the diaspora who couldn't claim ancestry from several parts of it

2019-11-24 01:44:29 UTC  

The most influential and prominent Irish individuals

2019-11-24 01:44:32 UTC  

Ulysses Grant

2019-11-24 01:44:35 UTC  

Weren’t Irish

2019-11-24 01:44:39 UTC  

President of the U.S. Republic