Message from @virtue

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2020-02-09 19:42:42 UTC  

Because centritards need to buy out poors to stay in power and keep leeching

2020-02-09 19:44:40 UTC  

I am no curt
but I think It's possible in theory(although easily conquered) the main issue is that you'll have to sacrifice the commonwealth

certain types of parasitism will be allowed if the commons are not recognised as legitimate property

The most common description of propertarianism that I've been exposed to is that it's a completion of libertarian logic in the longterm with a broader definition of property
@Opsal

2020-02-09 19:45:52 UTC  

well, the gist of his argument is that property norms, like all norms, are a public good that has to be centrally enforced

2020-02-09 19:46:15 UTC  

just breed a slave caste that's suicidal when it loses its jobs

2020-02-09 19:46:15 UTC  

all property is public property, just with different amounts of autonomy delegated to it

2020-02-09 19:46:22 UTC  

be clever

2020-02-09 19:46:47 UTC  

the norm of property has to be enforced, and someone has to enforce it

2020-02-09 19:47:02 UTC  

which means they have to have the power to do so

2020-02-09 19:47:41 UTC  

Wished I was home

2020-02-09 19:47:48 UTC  

it's been a while, but I used to be a Propertarian

2020-02-09 19:48:06 UTC  

hmm

2020-02-09 19:48:07 UTC  

What made you rethink your position?

2020-02-09 19:48:18 UTC  

all these weird conceptions of property means no private property

2020-02-09 19:48:29 UTC  

centrally enforced bla

2020-02-09 19:48:33 UTC  

just means enslave everyone

2020-02-09 19:48:42 UTC  

and give the slaves a bit of autonomy so the central enforcer can leech better

2020-02-09 19:48:50 UTC  

im here

2020-02-09 19:48:52 UTC  

the problem is that it's essentially just cutting edge Liberalism, it doesn't transcend it

2020-02-09 19:49:01 UTC  

The info about Middle China an hour ago was wrong, but theres nothing I can do....

2020-02-09 19:49:09 UTC  

like you were talking about before of small federal governments

2020-02-09 19:49:10 UTC  

Propertarians are sympathetic

2020-02-09 19:49:10 UTC  

if we are going to have slavery just have it, not this stupid mental gymnastics

2020-02-09 19:49:29 UTC  

where Israel's critique was poignant, in that they'd just seek to expand

2020-02-09 19:49:33 UTC  

hurr durr we are trying to protect property goy not just enslave everyone

2020-02-09 19:49:38 UTC  

@Chawosaurian
yes.. private property only exists because you are part of a state

2020-02-09 19:49:54 UTC  

such private property is pretty fragile than

2020-02-09 19:50:14 UTC  

an entity which depends on there being no X to uphold X means X is dead

2020-02-09 19:50:17 UTC  

...defending against the mongol horde
means that you must build a strong big state
because you need a single big army
of proffessional soldiers

2020-02-09 19:50:18 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/634367565304561675/676152919267082250/image0.jpg

2020-02-09 19:50:20 UTC  

@Chawosaurian
Goodluck creating ancapistan

It's just a matter of time before centralized systems conquer yours

2020-02-09 19:50:25 UTC  

<:tucker:587843675413807106>

2020-02-09 19:50:28 UTC  

why centralize

2020-02-09 19:50:28 UTC  

I ultimately didn't rethink my position, I just went further than Curt is able to

2020-02-09 19:50:31 UTC  

why less efficiency

2020-02-09 19:50:38 UTC  

I use some ancap ideas in my fascism

2020-02-09 19:50:40 UTC  

things evolve to more efficiency not less

2020-02-09 19:50:44 UTC  

Cant build a strong army if your nation is divided

2020-02-09 19:50:52 UTC  

@Ed you've read anything about Neoabsolutism?

2020-02-09 19:50:54 UTC  

a strong army to oppress people

2020-02-09 19:50:59 UTC  

Small armies are not effective

2020-02-09 19:51:17 UTC  

huge armies are a massive sink hole of resources