as for the Meiji question

molymeme is alright

his libertarianism is kinda dumb

Japan started industrializing during the 1860's but didn't really reach adequate levels until about 1900

in 1905 when they were fighting Russia they were far less industrialized

and relied on British and American shekels to expand their army and navy

@Emperor of Atlantis Yes, they also used them as bodyguards during presidential visits.

in 1894 for example, the Chinese were more industrialized and had a bigger army and navy

Still, that quickly, in a few decades?

everyone expected China to win that war

the issue is that the Chinese government and bureaucracy were incompetent and corrupt

Unlike now

Yes

yeah Japan industrialized as quickly as Germany did

Italy was completely unable to for some reason

the Japanese have always been really efficient

molyGOD

Chiang Kai-shek is overrated.

when the Portuguese brought guns in 1542

the Japanese were outproducing Europe during the 1570's and 1580's

Tbh I feel like for most of human history we've been carrying the Italians.

^

The EU basic exists to carry Greece and Italy, and their tanking economies, at the expense of more industrious European states.

read Nicholas Farrell's Mussolini

it is by far the best source on the subject

Mussolini not only completed Italian unification

@ThatSmugGuyGlen

he was also the best ruler the Italians had in all of modern history

https://youtu.be/trBxPFLq__g

Italy was just REALLY fucked

secular fascism is not enough though

yes I agree

whoops

sorry to whoever posted that last vid

my bad

Sicilians wuz blaque <:CHAD:396569198404435969>

nah they actually have North African ancestry

all the way since ancient times

I'm back <:supermale:399903458964275203>

So..

also a bunch of Greeks that migrated there in the ancient times