or did you usually fap without it

Yeah when I was like 15 I guess

https://tenor.com/view/samhyde-surprised-smug-milliondollarextreme-world-gif-9838550

I have mostly fapped without it

@Nerthulas

depression and addiction are real, they can be traps but theres always a way out

so its easier for you to stop, it hasn't effected you enough

At one point I got worried that it was fucking with my mood and energy so every time I wanted to fap I went outside

lifting iron is the way out

Because you can't fap outside

for me the best feeling is to go for a hike or run at dawn

Then do enough physical activity that you are too tired to do anything when you get home

see beautiful nature at sunrise is so inspiring

and you will instantly fall asleep

Actually works

@fuguer traps can be addicting?

i dont sleep that easy

Every night when I get home I go straight to bed

even after a lot of exercise

yeah by bedtime you will

i thought you meant sleep at like 2pm

The other night I actually wanted to fap but I was tired enough that I wanted to sleep more

actually its even easier to sleep if you dont fap, you start fantasizing and pass out pretty quick

different things affect different people differently

why don't you just stop smoking

i never last more than a few minutes

Et

Hmm

Well I could and should but it's a bit different

Although, same strategy

Be places where you can't smoke and you will smoke less

Which is what I've been doing since I got my own place

Leaf "you can do anything with willpower". also Leaf: "I can't stop smoking"

Bc I don't want nicotine stains on my stuff

We're more prisoners of fate than we like to admit

that's part of it

that's part of a good strategy

Yes

but there's a problem

Also realise that you are literally destroying yourself by fapping all the time

Literally turning yourself into a tired little beta soyboy