Message from @Nerthulas

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2019-10-28 03:41:23 UTC  

its an interesting question

2019-10-28 03:41:44 UTC  

whats the question

2019-10-28 03:41:45 UTC  

to claim that your morality is 'based on science' is ridiculous

2019-10-28 03:41:49 UTC  

you have to have prior values

2019-10-28 03:42:01 UTC  

offspring tend to go towards the mean tho

2019-10-28 03:42:01 UTC  

science can help you evaluate what courses of action best fulfil your desires

2019-10-28 03:42:04 UTC  

you can change your moral principles via recursion

2019-10-28 03:42:18 UTC  

im just start posting bbc memes<:smugooze:398100987866251265>

2019-10-28 03:42:25 UTC  

if my initial drive was to dominate, and i realized science and reasoning was the best hope of that

2019-10-28 03:42:27 UTC  

its not even fair anymore

2019-10-28 03:42:30 UTC  

yes, that's true, but it doesn't make them any more legitimate, just a different context in which preferences form

2019-10-28 03:42:31 UTC  

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2019-10-28 03:42:34 UTC  

then i might recursively evolve my moral beliefs

2019-10-28 03:42:42 UTC  

which most of us do over time

2019-10-28 03:42:44 UTC  

as we age and grow

2019-10-28 03:42:55 UTC  

at least i hope so

2019-10-28 03:43:03 UTC  

I've never seen an attractive black girl irl

2019-10-28 03:43:21 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/634367565304561675/638221242800930827/rds0yxfd2dy7ah1ynn3f.png

2019-10-28 03:43:38 UTC  

its never going to be 'based on science', though some greater understanding of the world can change the emotional and rational context in which you form values

2019-10-28 03:43:51 UTC  

that's all tbh

2019-10-28 03:44:06 UTC  

whats your proof of that

2019-10-28 03:44:11 UTC  

The current idea of the ruling class is the same as the idea you just suggested btw

2019-10-28 03:44:18 UTC  

To improve humanity as a whole

2019-10-28 03:44:18 UTC  

i dont see how you can make definitive statements about my moral preferences

2019-10-28 03:44:19 UTC  

but you can use science to modify your moral values and "redirect fire"

2019-10-28 03:44:26 UTC  

thats right Rody

2019-10-28 03:44:31 UTC  

Healing the world

2019-10-28 03:44:34 UTC  

Sounds familiar

2019-10-28 03:44:38 UTC  

thats what i mean by recursively evolving your moral beliefs

2019-10-28 03:44:44 UTC  

its a universal quality of values, they are not 'necessary', they are preferred

2019-10-28 03:45:07 UTC  

our preferences arent tabula rasa

2019-10-28 03:45:13 UTC  

theyre born out of our genetics and experiences

2019-10-28 03:45:13 UTC  

I didn't say that they were

2019-10-28 03:45:20 UTC  

and i can shape and redirect my experiences

2019-10-28 03:45:22 UTC  

that's exactly what I said

2019-10-28 03:45:25 UTC  

in a way that shapes my moral preferences

2019-10-28 03:45:39 UTC  

Nerth have you seen Noam Chomsky's latest interview? A lot of Nazi references

2019-10-28 03:45:41 UTC  

i read and studied A LOT of philosophy as a child

2019-10-28 03:45:48 UTC  

yes, studying science can change the emotional and rational context in which you form preferences, that is precisely what I said

2019-10-28 03:45:55 UTC  

i took night classes on philosophy at college when i was still in highs chool