Message from @BabygottBach

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2019-10-30 06:21:39 UTC  

I don't understand the statistical measures of heritability to understand why

2019-10-30 06:21:58 UTC  

can you explain why twins perform similarly in different environments if heritability of IQ is bullshit?

2019-10-30 06:22:17 UTC  

He's calling things into question unjustifiably

2019-10-30 06:22:18 UTC  

Some funky sociological mechanism

2019-10-30 06:22:23 UTC  

That quote he just posted is shit

2019-10-30 06:22:24 UTC  

I'm fully justified

2019-10-30 06:22:30 UTC  

It's not even making a counter claim

2019-10-30 06:22:36 UTC  

how is it not?

2019-10-30 06:22:40 UTC  

It's simply trying to create doubt

2019-10-30 06:22:42 UTC  

God of the gaps except god is society

2019-10-30 06:22:43 UTC  

Sure

2019-10-30 06:22:48 UTC  

Where's the counter claim and evidence to back it up

2019-10-30 06:22:50 UTC  

I don't understand, what do you mean some funky sociological mechanism - they have identical genomes

2019-10-30 06:22:51 UTC  

There literally are sociological studies though

2019-10-30 06:22:54 UTC  

the findings are consistent

2019-10-30 06:22:56 UTC  

Post up the study invalidating additivity

2019-10-30 06:23:02 UTC  

>sociology

2019-10-30 06:23:04 UTC  

LOL

2019-10-30 06:23:05 UTC  

why do the twins have similar results?

2019-10-30 06:23:07 UTC  

All you have is variance, @Nerthulas

2019-10-30 06:23:07 UTC  
2019-10-30 06:23:09 UTC  

Exactly

2019-10-30 06:23:15 UTC  

@Nerthulas it conflicts with his world view so he has to invent some random "sociological mechanism" he cant explain

2019-10-30 06:23:19 UTC  

Sociology is literal Frankfurt School shit

2019-10-30 06:23:30 UTC  

```One of the most interesting developmental findings about intelligence is that its heritability as estimated in twin studies increases dramatically from infancy (20%) to childhood (40%) to adulthood (60%), while age-to-age genetic correlations are consistently high43,44. What could account for this increasing heritability despite unchanging age-to-age genetic correlations? Twin studies suggest that genetic effects are amplified through gene–environment correlation as time goes by45. That is, the same large set of DNA variants affects intelligence from childhood to adulthood, resulting in high age-to-age genetic correlations, but these DNA variants increasingly have an impact on intelligence as individuals select environments correlated with their genetic propensities, leading to greater heritability of intelligence.

Developmental hypotheses about high age-to-age genetic correlations and increasing heritability can be tested more rigorously and can be extended using GPS. Does the variance explained by GPS for intelligence increase from childhood to adolescence to adulthood? Are the correlations between GPS at these ages consistently high?```

2019-10-30 06:23:40 UTC  

They have identified many intelligence involved genes

2019-10-30 06:23:46 UTC  

Additivity is correlating with performance

2019-10-30 06:23:48 UTC  

if the twins have similar results in different environments, and that's broadly consistent across studies, then it must be heritable @BabygottBach

2019-10-30 06:23:53 UTC  

what else could be happening?

2019-10-30 06:23:56 UTC  

can you explain?

2019-10-30 06:24:02 UTC  

And you come in with a "maybe this or that" to counter actual positive data

2019-10-30 06:24:04 UTC  

`These are valid concerns – because genetics are rarely accounted for in sociological research on parental, neighborhood, and school influences on children, if genetic factors are related to shared environments and the outcomes, genetic confounding is a possibility. Because sociological and other social science research frequently concludes that these social environments are major determinants of educational prospects in early childhood (Alexander, et al., 2007, Fryer and Levitt, 2006, KewalRamani, et al., 2007), adolescence (Camara and Schmidt, 1999, Hedges and Nowell, 1999, Kobrin, et al., 2007) and beyond (Elman and O'Rand, 2004, Roscigno and Ainsworth-Darnell, 1999), it is important for sociological researchers to critically examine this literature to evaluate its conclusions.`

2019-10-30 06:24:19 UTC  

I don't care about naked theory

2019-10-30 06:24:20 UTC  

@Nerthulas it cant be the case that things could be heritable because that would be racist

2019-10-30 06:24:21 UTC  

@TheUserNameofPeace, have you actually looked into the sociological side?

2019-10-30 06:24:22 UTC  

therefore it must be something else

2019-10-30 06:24:30 UTC  
2019-10-30 06:24:32 UTC  

Or are you only familiar with the behavioral geneticist side?

2019-10-30 06:24:40 UTC  

I'm sorry you're majoring in sociology

2019-10-30 06:24:45 UTC  

Nice!